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You need to be as critical with the Quran as you are the Holy Bible. The Quran confirms the Torah and Gospel. You can't tell GOD what to write!! Muslims must study the whole Bible with the understanding that it is GOD's Word, truth - some of it history, some figurative speech, some law all leading up to the gift from GOD- salvation through Jesus.
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minuteman
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Dear believer, we do not question the words of God and we do not wish that it should be corrupted. We also believe that the spoken word of Allah (Kalaam Allah) cannot be corrupted. But where is the real word of God. Do you believe that the words in the bible Nt are the words of God?
I do not believe so. Every day people are adding and subtracting and editing and modifying the words of God. Can you not see that? Would it not amount to corruption. But it is not corruption. There is no real word of God in the bible NT. So people are able to play about with it as they like.
The problem was that the teachings of Jesus were only for the Jews and for a limited time. That is why, God did not allow it to be preserved 100%. The teachings were not for all times and all people. There was new teaching coming after the teachings of Jesus for the whole mankind for all times. That teaching was to be preserved because there was not going to be any more teaching ( book) after that. That teaching is the new testament, latest testament called Quran. Please read Quran and give it some due importance. Thanks. Edited by minuteman - 02 June 2008 at 2:03am |
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Posted: 02 June 2008 at 4:44am |
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Hi believer, Muslims had studied the whole Bible, and found out that there are too many discrepancies, errors and contradictions which is not befitting for a holy scripture. Songs of Solomon for example - I found it very crude. Totally contradicts the Purity of God. God could not have written those words. Only lusty men could have done that.
As to the Taurah and the Injeel, the original copy cannot be found. Why is that so? Most probably, they mentioned the Gospels - The Good tidings of a coming Last Prophet Muhammad salallahualaihiwasalam.
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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honeto
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Posted: 02 June 2008 at 2:22pm |
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believer,
I feel sorry that I have read the Bible. Really, because I had more respect for the book when I had not read it.
In my study, it cannot even support the three basic points of its teachings without contradicting them:
1- Status of God
2- Status of Jesus
3- Salvation
Let me add another one:
4- consistancy (a sure Characteristic of a divine revelation)
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin
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Posted: 04 June 2008 at 2:37pm |
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On 1 & 2 What do ypu mean by "status"?
On 4 What sre you looking for?
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honeto
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 3:30pm |
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Robin
by 1-Status of God, I mean who and what is God.
by-2 Status of Jesus, I mean who and what is Jesus.
by-3 Salvation, I mean how it is achieved.
by-4 Consistancy, I mean no contradictions in its contents.
You have different believe on each one of these than 'believer'. But in general these points are presented and never proved without contradictions in their very source, the Bible unlike the Quran where all of these basic fundamantals of our belief are backed by its contents without any contradiction.
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Let me add my 2 cents worth in all this. There is a huge difference in Christians claiming the Bible as the Word of God and Muslims claiming the Quran as the God's Words. The Bible is not word for word dictated by God as Mohammad claimed for the Quran. You cannot read the Bible and take verses out of it without looking at the context it is written in. The Quran however is a collection of verses dictated word for word by God through Gabriel. If this is the case we as Christians must judge these verses according to our perception of a LOVING GOD. If these words do not compute with a loving God then we reject it and rightfully so in IMHO. god's words are timeless and should be valid for all people all times. for example if God say's polygamy is righteous than this is for all generations. However as a Christian I reject polygamy as discrimination against women therefore I reject this teaching as from God. In so doing I reject the Quran as from God. Christians do not however view the Bible as word for word dictated by God although we do believe it is the inerrant Word of God in that it was inspired by God and written by fallible men. Many different authors composed the Bible yet the MESSAGE of the Bible is consistent with a God who is Love and a God who wills to be loved in return. No where in the Bible does God say polygamy is from Him. People in the Bible may have practiced it but that doesnt mean God told them to "marry up to 4" if it pleases you.
One of the problems with the Quran is that the author assumed that Christians associate God with partners. The simple fact is Christians believe in ONE God. The author of the Quran believed Christians believed in 3 Gods and this is quite plainly untrue. Therefore the author could not have been God. That you do not understand of accept the Truine God does not make it untrue or imposible.
The above is only a few of many reasons why I reject the Quran as from God.
Peace
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Posted: 06 June 2008 at 4:10am |
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Mystical, you are entirely wrong. You know very well that king Soloman was a wise and pious person. Why did he have 300 wives? can you prove that the teachings of Torah are pointing to monogamy? If not then you are trying to be wiser than God, or you are trying to prove that Torah was a false book.
You know very well that Jacob son of Issac had two wives (and two concubines). Was he an honest man of God or he was a scoundrel and disobedient to God? I am sure he was well guided by God and he did not do anything wrong. So we can easily conclude that you are wrong in your first step and the second harsh step:
your Ist step: That polygamy is wrong (you have been proved wrong).
your second step: That because the Quran supports polygamy then Quran is also wrong.
But when your first step is proved wrong and it is just your own idea, nothing more, then your other attack on the Quran is also false.
Now I tell you (and all other friends) an interesting story about polygamy and its wonders. hazrat Sarah, the first wife of Hazrat Abraham was barren and could not bear any child. She became desperate and caring for her good husband, she offered a substitute (Hagar) to Abraham as a wife.
Abraham slept with Hagar and she became pregnant. She gave birth to the first born of Abraham i.e. Ishmael. Then after more sacrifices by Abraham and Ishmael, God was pleased with Abraham and granted him another son (Issac) from Sarah.
If there was no polygamy, there would not have been any Jew or christian today.
Mystical, please do not blame Quran and and do not blame Islam if the same thing is found in older faiths. I believe that Joseph the carpentar (the father of Jesus ) had another wife too. Maryam was his second wife. Edited by minuteman - 06 June 2008 at 4:17am |
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