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Robin,
I believe, in Islam I respect Jesus more than you, but I would not equate a human with any animal, let alone our beloved prophet Jesus (pbuh), and why I would I, if it does not make any sense to do so. Oh because it says so in the Bible!
The same Bible that says, even offends God not just the prophets and servants of God. For example, God repents, or God feel sorry for what He did, or God rides a cherub and fly around throwing smoke and fire from His mouth and nostrils.
And by the way where does it say "mankind's only savior" and explain before in what way, so I can take it from there. And I will be fine with just one quote, you don't have to write a page, I am easy.
 
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Edited by honeto - 19 June 2008 at 3:31pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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robin did not reply to my post in positive or negative sense, i.e. niether denied it nor confirmed it. But shifted the goal post to the lamb of God. He thinks that a lamb could be the saviour. It reminded me of the problem BMZ had at CARM. Just when he was going to score any good point, the people at CARM used to change the subject (shifted the goal post). It appeared that they were carrying the goal post in their hands all the time.
 
It would be better that robin remain in line with the discussion and not wander off too much. While some of his thoughts may be good but the rest are all the same, i.e. the original sinand the saviour etc. If that is the policy of the jehovas Witnesses then we are learning some strange things now.


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LOL!!! minuteman she was answering you when you said The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
 
Muslims if they read their Quran would understand that Jesus is revered higher then Mohammad!!
 

Sura Al Imran 003.055
YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of those who blaspheme; I WILL MAKE THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEE SUPERIOR TO THOSE WHO REJECT FAITH, TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

PICKTHAL: when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and AM SETTING THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEE ABOVE THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE UNTIL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION. Then unto Me ye will return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

SHAKIR: And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and MAKE THOSE WHO FOLLOW YOU ABOVE THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE TO THE DAY OF RESURRECTION; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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believer,
if I was living in Jesus' time, I would be his follower as he was a true messanger of God calling for submission to God, a Muslim.
Since that message was lost, and God sent the direction for us again through Mohammed (pbuh), now for our time its him, and true believers follow him and are on the right guidance.
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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  When comparing the holy prophet Muhammad with other prophets, we should emphasize the status of the the prophet Muhammad as the Khatam an Nabiyeen. That has some special meaning because only Muhammad is the Khatam an nabiyeen.
 
 There seems to be a big status as Khatam which the other prophets do not have.
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Rightly added by minuteman, the Seal of the Prophets, no new prophetrs will come after the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh).
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  Yes, thanks, not only no prophet will come after him but he (Muhammad) is the best of all the prophets. He is the messenger of Allah and the seal (Superior) of all the prophets,. The prophethood of all prophets is proved through him. It is believed that the prophethood was granted by Allah to the prophets through Muhammad.
 
 The word Khaatam as used in the verse of Surah Ahzaab is in praise of the prophet Muhammad. We see that no one believes in Jesus except the Muslims and christians. If  Muslims did not believe in Jesus then the christians are alone in believing in Jesus. Same is the case of John the baptist. Nobody believes in him. It is by the Quran and through the Mercy of Allah and message through Muhammad that Jesus and John have been admitted as prophets of Allah.
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Originally posted by robin <DIV><FONT face=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif size=3>Where in the Quran did it say Jesus is the Messiah?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif size=3>Thank you</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif size=3>robin</FONT></DIV></FONT>[/QUOTE robin
 
Where in the Quran did it say Jesus is the Messiah?
 
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5 : 75 of the Qur'an says that The Messiah ﴿'Isa﴾, son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddiqah ﴿truthful believer﴾. They both used to eat food.)
 
 
5 : 75 of the Qur'an says that The Messiah ﴿'Isa﴾, son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddiqah ﴿truthful believer﴾. They both used to eat food.)
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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