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Ron Webb 
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 Posted: 03 September 2008 at 4:12pm |
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What is your point, halfalife? Is my grandmother in heaven or hell?
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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minuteman
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Posted: 03 September 2008 at 7:41pm |
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Ron, the believers who do good deeds will be rewarded. Their good work will not be wasted. And they will not suffer or be ashamed (verse 2:62).
Islam means peace. There are many aspects of Islam. It cannot be explained in one sentence. The religion brought by all prophets was Islam. That is also an important factor to be kept in mind. Islam is not a racial religion. Some people feel that God only belonged to them and their race.
Keeping all the aspects of the religion that is Islam, we believe that Allah will not accept any religion other than Islam (verse 3:85). It is quite justified. Some people try to invent their religion or without any permission from Allah they start a religion. It is a notice to them (not to you) that any religion other than Islam (Peace) will not be acceptable with Allah.
There was a time of Abraham a.s. He taught the Unitarian faith and worship of One God. Then there was Joseph in Egypt. Then there was Moses in Egypt. The life progressed with the teachings of the prophets.
That was all good teachings, i.e. Islam. But people kept on perverting the message of Allah. Every nation got the message. The message was for the time and that nation. Even valid for them today if they like to follow that message. No harm. Otherwise they can follow the latest message i.e. The Quran. It embodies all the earlier truths. That is Islam.
Any one bringing any religion other than Islam will not be accepted from him. That is the message of Islam now. (Verse 3:85). There is no contradiction. Edited by minuteman - 03 September 2008 at 7:47pm |
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 03 September 2008 at 7:45pm |
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Please, minuteman, just answer the question: Is my grandmother in heaven or hell?
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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minuteman
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Posted: 03 September 2008 at 7:53pm |
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Furthermore, Ron, the people of other faiths doing good work, niether accusing nor abusing the people of other faiths will have their reward with Allah and will not be wronged. But please remember that now the real message is in the Quran for the entire mankind forever.
Any one who ignores the final message will not get full satisfaction. Because the earlier message will not be able to elevate the persons to higher stage of spiritual uplift. So there is again importance of the verse 3:85.
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robin
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Posted: 04 September 2008 at 1:06am |
According to The Bible the place of Hellfire does not exist. It is a pagan myth that is not real!
Your Granmother is in the grave awaiting the ressurection into an earthly paradice by God's good will.
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Posted: 04 September 2008 at 8:46pm |
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Explanation of verse (2:62) in Tafheem
(2:62) Rest assured that whosoever from among the Muslims or the Jews or the Christians or the Sabaeans believes in Allah and the Last Day, and performs good deeds, he will have his reward with his Lord and he will have no cause for fear and grief. *80
*80. The context of the verse makes it clear that it is not attempting to enumerate in detail all the articles of faith in which one should believe, or all the principles of conduct which one should follow in order to merit reward from God. These matters are mentioned elsewhere, in their appropriate places. The aim of the verse is merely to repudiate the illusion cherished by the Jews that, by virtue of their being Jews, they have a monopoly of salvation. They had long entertained the notion that a special and exclusive relationship existed between them and God. They thought, therefore, that all who belonged to their group were predestined to salvation regardless of their beliefs and actions,. whereas all non-Jews were predestined to serve as fodder for hell-fire.
To clarify this misgiving the Jews are told that what really matters in the sight of God is true faith and good deeds rather than formal affiliation with a certain religious community. Whoever has true faith and good deeds to his credit is bound to receive his reward, since God will judge people on the basis of merit rather than on the grounds that a man's name happens to be listed in the world as a member of one religious community or the other. |
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Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Saladin
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Posted: 05 September 2008 at 9:31am |
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Ron,
Only God knows the fate of people in the hereafter. He's the best judge and only he knows who truly believed in him and did good to please him. With our limited comprehension we cant and dont have the right to come to conclusions.
My father, as far as I and the people around him knew, was a righteous man; a good muslim but I dont know what his fate in the hereafter will be. I can only pray and hope for his success.
Allah says in the Quran, that those who associate partners to him and work mischief will be losers in the hereafter. We can see people doing this but we cant judge their fate in the hereafter.
Like minuteman said, people who believe in the one and only God and do good deeds; their efforts dont go wasted. If you believe that God is the most just and the most merciful, you dont have to worry about your grandma.
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'Trust everyone but not the devil in them'
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Posted: 06 September 2008 at 1:42pm |
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minuteman - you say will not get full satisfaction- do you mean they almost get to heaven, partial satisfaction? Aren't you either in heaven or not?
the people of other faiths doing good work, niether accusing nor abusing the people of other faiths will have their reward with Allah and will not be wronged
Cool, so as a Muslim you believe that those Christians that believe that Jesus died for our salvation and do good works will be with GOD.
"people who believe in the one and only God and do good deeds; their efforts dont go wasted. If you believe that God is the most just and the most merciful"
Again cool!!
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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