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 Yes there is a reward for the good deeds. And one of the basic good deeds is not to hate or deprive any one. It is in the verse 2:62 "Their reward is with their Lord....."
 
 But there are other verses in Quran which speak of a greater reward. So may be those people who will not become Muslims will have some reward but not the greatest reward.
 
 But it is sure that the Jews and the christains should get a reward for their good work whatever their belief. The only requirement seems to be that theyshould not be Atheists.
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Oh, Ok.
 
Oh do you mean the ones with the big brown eyes?  Some will receive paradise - thosr that fight for Allah.  Maybe the women that do good become those with the big brown eyes!?!
 
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YUSUFALI: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).
PICKTHAL: And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: this is what was given us aforetime; and it is given to them in resemblance. There for them are pure companions; there for ever they abide.
SHAKIR: And convey good news to those who believe and do good deeds, that they shall have gardens in which rivers flow; whenever they shall be given a portion of the fruit thereof, they shall say: This is what was given to us before; and they shall be given the like of it, and they shall have pure mates in them, and in them, they shall abide.
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Please, minuteman, just answer the question: Is my grandmother in heaven or hell?
 
Like we Muslims like to say Ron, 'Walla hu alam' i.e. Only Allah knows.
 
I'm surprised that noone apart from Saladin pointed that out, that we as humans and especially as muslims, are in NO position to 'predict' 'assume' 'expect' or 'comment' on ANYBODY's status in the hereafter. That is up to Allah, and Allah alone. And He will decide, as He deems fit - who should go where.
 
Muslims are not allowed to comment on the afterlife of fellow muslims as well, even if it be to say 'oh, he/shes definitely going to heaven' .  We do not know, and should not try to say so.  
 
 
 


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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Oh, Ok.
 
Oh do you mean the ones with the big brown eyes?  Some will receive paradise - thosr that fight for Allah.  Maybe the women that do good become those with the big brown eyes!?!
 
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YUSUFALI: But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).
PICKTHAL: And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: this is what was given us aforetime; and it is given to them in resemblance. There for them are pure companions; there for ever they abide.
SHAKIR: And convey good news to those who believe and do good deeds, that they shall have gardens in which rivers flow; whenever they shall be given a portion of the fruit thereof, they shall say: This is what was given to us before; and they shall be given the like of it, and they shall have pure mates in them, and in them, they shall abide.
 
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For the faithful, Allah being pleased is the best reward, even better then paradise itself,
 
and as is mentioned in this verse 5:119 :

Qala Allahu hatha yawmu yanfaAAu alssadiqeena sidquhum lahum jannatun tajree min tahtiha alanharu khalideena feeha abadan radiya Allahu AAanhum waradoo AAanhu thalika alfawzu alAAatheemu

Allah said "this is the day that the truthfull benefit from their truthfulness, for them are gardens under which river flow, forever abiding in it, Allah has become well pleased with them, and they with Him, THAT is the great achievement ("victory"),

 
As for the brown eyed virgins in paradise...maybe this is something that they did not mention on TV or has not been mentioned yet but....for someone of faith who has a hard time not to fall into fornication (which is an easy thing to do), a promise of women -untouched and undefiled- in paradise from Allah (The Only God) is an encouragement for the servant and a thing to look forward to, and at the same time it is ofcourse also a way by which Allah protects His servant from the sin of fornication...this is ofcourse only for those who truely believe,.


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I'm not sure I get this- the virgins are only for those that don't commit the sin of fornication?  I have never heard that.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I'm not sure I get this- the virgins are only for those that don't commit the sin of fornication?  I have never heard that.

 
Let me explain, you are a young man standing before a fine blond/brunette (who might be drunk of her trunk and) ready to receive... how hard can it get?
the promise of virgins/women in the hereafter sure would help  if you are a true believer who has a hard time not to fall for the sin of the flesh(lol) and is debating wether to go for  "the quick fix" or not.
 
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   All prophets are good example of that but the prophet Joseph son of Jacob is the one mentioned in the Quran. Read verses 21-28 of chapter 12 please. There was a very rich lady, wife of a very senior Egyptian officer calling Joseph to the bedside.
 
 Quran 12:24,, She went for him and he would have gone for her had he not seen the manifest sign of his Lord....
 
 
[12:21] And the man from Egypt who bought him said to his wife, 'Make his stay among us honourable. Maybe we will benefit from him or we may adopt him as a son.' And thus did We establish Joseph in the land, and We did so that We might also teach him the interpretation of things. And Allah has full power over His decree, but most men know not.
[12:22] And when he attained his age of full strength, We granted him judgment and knowledge. And thus do We reward those who do good.
[12:23] And she, in whose house he was, sought to seduce him against his will. And she bolted the doors, and said, 'Now come.' He said, 'I seek refuge with Allah. He is my Lord. He has made my stay with you honourable. Verily, the wrongdoers never prosper.'
[12:24] And she made up her mind with regard to him, to seduce him, and he made up his mind with regard to her, to resist her. If he had not seen manifest Sign of his Lord, he could not have shown such determination. Thus did it come about that We might turn away from him all evil and indecency. Surely, he was one of Our chosen servants.
[12:25] And they both raced to the door, and in the struggle she tore his shirt from behind, and they found her lord at the door. She said to him, 'What shall be the punishment of one who intended evil to thy wife, save imprisonment or a grievous chastisement?'
[12:26] Joseph said, 'She it was who sought to seduce me against my will.' And a witness of her household bore witness saying, 'If his shirt is torn from the front, then she has spoken the truth and he is a liar;
[12:27] 'But if his shirt is torn from behind, then she has lied and he is of the truthful'.
[12:28] So when he saw his shirt torn from behind, he said, Surely, this is a device of you women. Your device is indeed mighty;


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Originally posted by Chrysalis Chrysalis wrote:

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Please, minuteman, just answer the question: Is my grandmother in heaven or hell?
 
Like we Muslims like to say Ron, 'Walla hu alam' i.e. Only Allah knows.
(What do I have to do to get a straight answer from you guys???)
 
Okay, let me rephrase:  Would someone like my grandmother, a devout Christian who believes in the divinity of Jesus, be in heaven or hell?
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