 seekshidayath wrote:
Now coming to the hadith u had been repeating
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Before going into it, let me help you learn a small but important point. A hadith can be well understood, infact can know it in real when, you go thru its context. Welll, here is a hadith from your own source� of ahle byth.
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�Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry.�
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Well, this is the hadith na, which you quoted. Now, read its explanation. Let's read it in its context
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This incident is narrated by the esteemed founding father of Shia theology, Ibn Babaveh Al-Qummi, better known as Al-Sadooq. In his book, Al-Sadooq relayed the following narration on the authority of Imam Jafar as-Sadiq. This narration is also available on Al-Shia.com:
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Translation: It is narrated on the authority of Abu Abdullah Jafar Al-Sadiq: A miserable of the miserables came to Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and said to her: �Did you not know that Ali proposed to marry (Khataba) the daughter of Abu Jahl?� She said: �Is it true what you say? He said three times: �What I say is true.� Jealousy entered into her (heart) to an extent she could not control, for Allah has ordained that women be jealous and that men perform Jihad, and He has made the reward of the patient (woman) similar to that of the Murabit and Muhajir in the way of Allah.
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He said: And Fatima�s anguish became severe and she remained thinking about it until night time�she moved to her father�s residence. Ali came to his residence and did not see Fatima and his anguish increased and became great on him, even though he did not know what happened, and he was ashamed to call her from her father�s house so he went to the Masjid and prayed as much as Allah willed, and he collected some of the sand in the Masjid and laid on it.
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When the Prophet saw how sad and anguished Fatima was, he poured water over himself and wore his clothes and entered the Masjid. He kept praying, making Rukoo and Sujood, and after every time he completed two Raka he made Du�a that Allah remove what Fatima had of sadness and anguish because he left her turning over and breathing heavily. When the Prophet saw that she could not sleep and could not rest he said: �O daughter, rise!� So she rose and the Prophet carried Al-Hassan and she carried Al-Hussain and took hold of Umm Kulthoom�s hand until they reached Ali (AS) while he was sleeping.
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The Prophet put his foot on Ali, pinched him, and said: �Rise Abu Turab! You have disturbed many a resting person. Call for me Abu Bakr from his house and Umar from his Majlis and Talha.� So Ali went and got them from their houses and they gathered around the Messenger of Allah.
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The Messenger of Allah then said: �O Ali! Do you not know that Fatima is a piece of me and I am from her. Whoever disturbs her, disturbs me and whoever disturbs me has disturbed Allah, and whoever disturbs her after my death then as if he has disturbed her in my lifetime and whoever disturbed her in my lifetime then as if he has disturbed her after my death.�
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(source: Ibn Babveh Al Qummi�s �Elal Al-Sharae��, pp.185-186, Al-Najaf Print; also narrated in Majlisi �Bihar� 43/201-202)
Well according to shia belief, this event never took place...for many reasons which will be discribed...
as u know, every hadith has to be tested from quran, ilme rijal and so on.....inshallah i will look into the flaws of the hadith and then i will look into the fact that even if i accept that hadith to be true, the event if analysed, does not fit ones common sence...may Allah (s.w.t) help me with my task...
the writer of the article is over smart...he thot only sunnis will read his article...and blindly accept his work.....
1st we will look into tho book Elal-Asharae' written by sheikh Saduq (r.a)
i think u know urdu...and i hope u can read the beautiful language....in the 1st image i have underlined the last narrators name....which is ABU HURAYRA and not Imam Jafar e Sadiq (a.s) as the writer claims....and secondly we dont take from abu hurayra, beacuse he is not considered to be a reliable person one reason is given here: http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abyhurayrank3.jpg..(i dint want to waste space or go off topic)
and now look at the second image...(its the next page)...i have surrounded the words by THE WRITER SHIEKH SADOOQ which says "Rivayat humaare nazdeek hargiz motabar aur Mustanid nahee hai"..this in sort means that he say.."the narration is not authentic and fabricated)...
well i am sure every published book has this note on this hadith...and the writer of the article either ignored that, thinking shias will blindly believe him or it was his mischiev which has been exposed...
infact if u read all the arabic texts...given in the article...no where it says its been narrated by Imam Jafar e Sadiq (a.s)....
now lets see the narration in Bihar Ul Anwar By allamah majlisi....look at the chain of narration (from the site ya-zahra.net)...[أبي ، عن سعد ، عن الحسن بن عرفة ، عن وكيع ، عن محمد بن إسرائيل ، عن أبي صالح ، عن أبي ذر رحمة الله >...as u can see there are 7 narrators till Abu Zarr...and Allamah majlisi was born in the Hijri year of 1024....well this hadith can only accepted if it is possible for all the narrators to live atleast around 125 years above or a bit less....since there is around 1014 year gap between Allamah Majlisi and Prophet Muhammad (a.s)!!!!!
since the al-shia link given there does not work..i cud not work on it...
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This story is not only narrated by the Shia founding father Al-Qummi, but it is also narrated by Al-Majlisi in his book Jala Al-Eoyon. There are not many scholars of the Shia considered more authoratative than Al-Qummi and Al-Majlisi, and both narrate this story.
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since the auther has given no quotations from Jala Al-Eoyon....his claims are worthless....
It was actually Ali� who had angered Fatima , and consequently, the Prophet� chastised him by saying that whoever angers Fatima� angers him. According to the Shia narration above, the Prophet� even �put his foot on Ali� and �pinched him.� Not only this, but the Prophet� rounded up some of the Sahabah in order to publically chastise Ali� on the matter. Hence, if the Shia would like to condemn Abu Bakr� for angering Fatima , then what about this incident in which Ali� does so? In fact, the very statement that the silly Shia use against us is in fact the same statement that was used by the Prophet� as a chastisement of Ali !
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And this was not the only time that Ali angered Fatima . According to Shia sources, we see several other instances. On one occassion, she was angry with Ali� because she saw his head in the lap of a slave girl that was given to him as a gift. She even left him for awhile and went to her father�s house, which is something that females do when they are upset with their husbands or they are facing marital problems. This narration is available on the YaZahra.com, a reputable Shia website:
just because a website says it, and that website is just giving out a book ..we shud believe it???? inshallah in the next part of the reply i will see that even if i accept the narration... what are the flaws in it....
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....my only question is also unanswered..
