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Whisper

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 1:24pm

It is all so complicated. It appears that whisper is trying to threaten the other guy whom he thought that he ran away. Perhaps he wants him to run away. Better not try like that. Be calm as much as possible.

My dear and most loveable friend, I am not threatening anyone at all. I am no George Bush. I am just asking this and any other chap who is trying to establish some brand new Nabis (that includes you as well) just for the proof of his Prophet Hoods.

Prophet hood comes with some internationally recognised divine signs. Give me the proof of Mirza G Ahmed, Katchri wala's prophethood and I am all yours.

Kindly just understand that.

I had asked this man just one question and he had disappeared from this Forum. This is not just one of those matters that you give up and forget about the offender. I PM�d him.

Plus, I know how and why suddenly Empire sponsored prophets just sprinkled across in Iran, Afghaistan ansd India soon after the Qachaaar wars. My friend, you know me, your chap can't just bark his assertions at me and expect me into submission. I want exact proof of Mirza's prophethood before this chap barks another word at me.

Not a word less than that PROOF will do.

Maulana Maudoodi, his books or no books. I just want the proof of the Nabi being forced upon us, here.

Do I make myself clear? I may just be a Socialist sort of a half caste Muslim BUT when it comes to such fitna I stand up with my claws.

Edited by Whisper - 26 September 2008 at 1:34pm

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 1:37pm

Be calm as much as possible

Brother I will be very calm, I am tranquil. But if even if you wish to establish anyone, even me, as a Nabi, I will want PROOF and nada less than that. No words, no more assertions and long discussions, JUST the proof of Prophet Hood.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 1:47pm

Yaar Minuteman please just find out has he run away again or is just having a siesta?

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:27pm

minuteman wrote:

The book mentioned is not the right type of book. It has many fallacies and gradual development against Ahmadis without naming them. It does not deal with the subject of life and death of Isa a.s.

It also does not deal with the Wahi after the prophet Muhammad s.aw.s. Maudoodi sahib did not believe in any Wahi (or News) after the prophet s.a.w.s He believed that Imam Mahdi will come before Isa a.s. There will be a war scene and Isa a.s. who is now alive in heavens, he will descend and will help Imam Mahdi to kill Dajjal.

Maudoodi sahib believed that Imam Mahdi will not know himself that he was the Imam Mahdi. In his other books, he wrote that Islam was spread by sword.

It is said that there is no prophet after Muhammad. Also they say that there is no Wahi after the prophet now. But it is believed that Isa a.s. will come as a prophet. And he will have Wahi. So there is some proof of a prophet after Muhammad and some proof of Wahi too.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 3:55pm

Response to minuteman

If any body himselfherself want to read commentary of Quran in Urdu language written by Maulana Maududi then click here

Now i am going to present 'Fimality of Prophet Muhammad' in English language:

Finality of Prophethood By Maulana Maududi
Finality of Prophethood By www.islamonline.net
A Proof of the Finality of Prophethood
The Finality of Prophethood
The Interpretation of well-Known Muslim Scholars on The Finality of Prophethood.
Finality of Prophethood By Famous Mufassir Ibn Kathir

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 7:03pm

H3OO wrote:

seekshidayath wrote:

Why don't you share the story , infact intresting and beautiful story, as how your messenger of Allah,{Ghulam Ahmed} met his end {died}. Is that the type of death any messenger of Allah would meet ?

Don't try to cause confusions by playing with the words of Qur'an with your own interpretations.

Im not causing any confusion.
the purpose here was just to give the other side of the view.
No one here is asking anyone to accept or consider it true. it is only
to remove the misconceptions which has led to such hatred as we see today against ahmedis

we, all our life, have been listening to the one side of the story(often biased) from our scholars and WE believed what ever they said without
actually trying to find out what they(ahmedis) actually say and not what our mullahs say.
so i have just tried to put here their opinions/interpretation
so that at least before deciding we know the other side of the story only then we can reach the right, the true decision.

and as ur name say, inorder to seek the true hidayath which u are here for, it is necessory to know ahmedis views from their mouth or books, only then one can form an objective unbiased opinion.

Alhamdullilah, am been associated to an organisation, who are into dawah at those rural areas, where these Qadiaynis crept in. Alhamdullilah, we were able to stray them away and made those poor , ignorant village chaps, recite the shahadah again. We do all these not just by explaining them of Qur'an and the last Prophet, but also read out those false books .

Anyways, i shall not move on, untill u prove, brother {whisper} 's claim.

And yes, i was helping you to propogate Qadiyanism. U did not write , i mean did not share, as how Mirza Ghulam, met his death. Let the readers read out how he met his death. Else Insha Allah, if time permits, i shall share it tomorrow.

Edited by seekshidayath - 26 September 2008 at 7:05pm

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 7:14pm

You are advertising Maudoodi un-necessarily. Would you allow me to present anything? I have also read the tafseer myself, in fact, more than you. There is nothing spiritual in it. But it is written in better style Urdu. I should say free style where Maudoodi sahib took much liberty with the language. That is all.

If you have read the Tafseer then give your opinion on the three points by way of Maudoodi sahib as follows:

1. Is there going to be any kind of prophet after prophet Muhammad?

2. Is there going to be any kind of Wahi/Ilham after prophet Muhammad?

3. Is Isa a.s. alive now and has not yet died? (mind you read page 420 of the Tafseer volume 1.)

These are the points that you should have enlightened every one with your knowhow. Not to advertise anything here. It is possible that you have learnt nothing from the books of Maudoodi sahib.

So please mind about 1. Any prophet after our Prophet Muhammad?

2. Any kind of Wahi/Ilham in these days. 3. Life and death of Hazrat Eisa a.s.

Just discuss these from your point of view. That will help to understand the subject under discussion.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 at 7:20pm

What do you want minuteman ? Were u expecting from us to sing songs in his favour. When a false messenger, is proved false,

In his other books, he wrote that Islam was spread by sword."

Just quote that book, or share those lines wherein he {Maulana Maududi } said so.

Do u know what do they say ? They say that Isa AS {Jesus} will not descend from heavens because he never went to heavens; rather he went to Kashmir, where he died at the age of 120

This was just one extract of there views. Infact that Mirza, wrote one full book over this view. Now, u as a muslim answer these questions.

1. DO u believe, Isa AS, died

2. Did u read anywhere in Qur'an and Sunnah, that Isa AS, visited India, that too Kashmir. { It would be a uniting factor for us - indo-pak}

3. They say that Isa AS, never ascended to heavens, Then where he is. Nauzbillah, in Kashmir, or around the Kabah of Qadiyanis, which i heard is in Punjab.

4. Isa AS lived for 120 years. Prove it?

Edited by seekshidayath - 26 September 2008 at 7:23pm

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."