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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 7:31pm

"Can Ahmedis/Qadiyanis answer" - by Illiyas Sattar.

Minuteman read that. You seem to be in favour of those people na ! Infact, we are still softer against those people who are followers of that  false messenger. Do u know how was Musaylamah, a false apostate killed, when Prophet {pbuh} was in his last days ? Why did n't people accept him as  , so called messenger, and why did n't our Prophet {Pbuh} made any prophecy then, that  any such messenger shall be coming ? He prophecised of Imam Mehdi, but he did not say that he shall be a prophet. Prophet {saws}  did clearly prophecised of all the happenings till qiyamah as well. He did prophecise of coming of Isa AS, Imam Mehdi, all the signs of the hour, the fitnahs that would rise.

 
Anyways, read this :
 
Is Adam (pbuh) still alive? Did Mirza Sahib die at the age of 30?

"There is another important statement by the Holy Prophet. During his last illness, the Holy Prophet said to his daughter Fatima: �Once a year Gabriel used to recite the Quran to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeeding Prophet has lived up to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about 60 years."


(Invitation to Ahmadiyyat (Da�awat-ul-Ameer), p.17)

Based on this formula, some of the future prophets (if at all there are some, and there should be at least three of them if you accept the Qadiani interpretation of the verse of Khatme-Nabuwwat) will have following ages:


Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani ??? 30 years old

Next assumed prophet 15 years old

Next assumed prophet 7 and half years old�and so on.

So according to the extract on page 17 taken from "Invitation to Ahamadiyyat", Hazrat Adam (pbuh) should have lived up to 122880 years. Which means that he is still alive. In fact, even Hazrat Sheesh, Noah, Abrahim and Ismail (pbut) should all be alive now. Furthermore, if Mirza Sahib is a prophet, he should have died at the age of 30 only, that is half the age of the previous Prophet. Did Mirza Sahib become Prophet after his death? Still more interesting, if Prophets will continue to come, then just a few Prophets down the line we would be having one who is a newborn!! This statement of the Holy Prophet (SAAW), if at all authentic, clearly means that there will no Prophet after Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), because the next Prophet will have to die at the age of 30 and the next at 15 which means he will not even be an adult.

Now, i wish to ask our member H300 - if he had read there books. Am thankful to Allah swt, that H300 still mentions Ahmedis as "they", not as "our"  or " we".



Edited by seekshidayath - 26 September 2008 at 7:37pm
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 11:12pm

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Allah Kareem aapko lambi zindagi ata farm aye. (May God grant you a long life)

I love my friend Minuteman and every single minute of the day. I also love his recipe. Please look at his generosity, he is turning us ALL into nabis. Be honest yaar when did you have such a chance before in your life?

Why not just relax and become a freshly cut Nabi? Yaar�m if they can pass around anyone, say, our good old Eshtamp Farosh of Zila Kutchery (District courts stamp vendor) as nabi just because he had some bad dream and a crafted a few fables about Hazrat Issa Alah e Islam without any authentication whatsoever then my brother we are all Nabis - just if we have some bad dreams and call these Wahis!

Our Geroge Bush must be the Nabi-in-Chief because he is having all sorts of khofnaak (scary) dreams of all shades at this moment of time.

Yaar, can't you understand that it's just a joke. We need not display our powers of reasoning with our friends, here. We need not even take them for serious. If they can peddle Mirza G Ahmed as Nabi without any divine signals, signs, proof then my brother all of us are nabis.
 
Minuteman is already one as he has tuned into the greatest authority on Maudoodo saheb, suddenly since this H300 has started to bark orders at us like some Sargeant Major of some British regiment that has been badly damaged in Afghanistan!

My friend, let�s laugh and celebrate our friends absolute innocence. I have been asking them for proof for the last so many days. The chap has flown the nest like he did the last time I had asked him a plain simple question.

Plus, yaar, a man (I won�t call him my grandfather just because these folks thinks that anyone who comes to a place that they visit must be having just some second broken down sort of a grandfather like theirs!) Anyway, my friend, this man invited Mirza G Ahmed (Eshtamp Farosh) for a Munazara when he had declared that he had wahi and was a Nabi. He never turned up. Once, twice and then also the third time. He put a contract on this man�s head. Paid someone to get �rid of this man� in Hoshyaar Pur!

What a great Al-Capone like Nabi?

Let's forget about books and reasoning. These people can afford to bark you down like anything. JUST ASK FOR THE PROOF OF NABI HOOD. PERIOD


Edited by Whisper - 26 September 2008 at 11:32pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2008 at 11:39pm

I have said it a few times before in plain and simple words. And, I say it again, openly and without any fear of whatsoever, specially the fasle Nabi Inc putting a price on my head like they had done on my grand father's when he had invited your Nabi for a Munazara!

If you like to market some brand new nabis, please, put these up with all the neccessary Manufacturing Certification and absolute divine proof of their Nabi Hood. Just having some bad dream or a few fables on anything does NOT turn any Tom, Dick or Harry into a nabi.
 
Just plain simple absolute proof or prophethood and withoutthat that please don't bark your assertions at us in useless arguments or futile points.
 
Just plain simple proof. Okay?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2008 at 3:02am
 whisper, you have not told me i fyou ever saw your grand. i aske dyou a few times.
 Now about Ilyas Sattar sahib, he is a fraud. He was looking for some place amongst well known people. So the best thing he saw after a few unsiccessful trial to change his modus operandi. he felt that the opposition of Ahmadis was a quick ticket to success. He challenged the Ahmadis a few times in different manner without any good result.
 
 If you are not familiar with him then I will tell afew things soon. But about your grand? ( I have to appear before the court of Seeks first. I have to answer a few direct questions.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2008 at 3:14am
 
  Whisper, you have posted, probably some one else's material. That is all wrong. Ilyas Sattar is, as one of my friends who met him said that he is ( I forgot the Urdu word he used, but meaning was "dsiturbed mind".) But we say that he is good man tries to indulge in religious debates.
 
 Now please note about that Hadith given by you, narrated by Hazrat Fatima r.a. about the prophets having half the age.... If you are not joking then tell me do you believe in that Hadith. That  is my question to you and to S*R and to Seeks. Please all reply. Do you believe as that Hadith is authentic, or not. thanks. That Hadith about Jibreel a.s. visiting the prophet every year in ramadhan and reviving the Quran....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2008 at 3:15am
Dear whisper u are again bringing in ur grand pa here. I have pretty clearly mentioned  the doubts i have about him. I live in this world and i know the type of people live around. I know the false propaganda that is being spread in the name of islam, in the name of being knowledgeable just to put down others or achieve ones own mission and most fall trap to it bcz of ignorance or bcz of love/attachment they have for the scholars as u have for ur grand pa but i'll not fall for it bcz it a serious issue and i cant just believe in anyones grand pa regarding such an important issue.and similarly its my request to all here not believe in stories as such. Im sure Allah will inquire  us of  where did we left our mind(intellect) when blindly accepting such a story.

secondly u keep on asking for proofs of his prophethood but tell me where did i mentioned in this thread or somewhere else that he is a true  prophet (though i also also did not said that he is wrong as uptill now whatever ive studied dont seems to be in any way against islam and am still in process), where did i said that his claims are true. where did i say that  we all should believe in him. My question was totally different.
read again the 1st two posts of page 3 of this thread and answer those questions.

im tired of saying this again and again but i dont know how will u understand it. I again repeat that i have just asked that what is it in the ahmedis interpretation stated on page 1 of this thread that so much angers us muslims that force us to label them fitna or creation of British govt. what is it that is so abusive or insulting to islam that we cant stop badmouthing there prophet?. when they are the followers of islam and are peacefully  propagating the teachings of islam and this hatred can be witnessed by the language u and some of ur fellows are using in this thread

so u have still not answered this simple question. plz answer this question sensibly instead of blackmailing and use decent words.
thanks




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2008 at 3:53am
Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

Originally posted by H3OO H3OO wrote:

Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

Why don't you share the story , infact intresting and beautiful  story, as how your messenger of Allah,{Ghulam Ahmed}  met his end {died}. Is that the type of death any messenger of Allah would meet ?
 
Don't try to cause confusions by playing with the words of Qur'an with your own interpretations.
 
 



Im not causing any confusion.
 the purpose here was just to give the other side of the view.
No one here is asking anyone to accept or consider it true. it is only
to remove the misconceptions which has led to such hatred as we see today against ahmedis

we, all our life, have been listening to the one side of the story(often biased) from our  scholars and WE believed what ever they said without
actually trying to find out what they(ahmedis) actually say and not what our mullahs say.
so i have just tried to put here their opinions/interpretation
so that at least before deciding we know the other side of the story only then we can reach the right, the true decision.

and as ur name say, inorder to seek the true hidayath which u are here for, it is necessory to know ahmedis views from their mouth or books, only then one can form an objective unbiased opinion.
 

 
And yes, i was helping you to propogate Qadiyanism. U did not write , i mean did not share, as how Mirza Ghulam, met his death. Let the readers read out how he met his death. Else Insha Allah, if time permits, i shall share it tomorrow.
 
 


Plz read my above reply to whisper (1st para relating to his grand pa) and i hope u will find the answer there.

Im sure u are aware of what people can do in enmity, in hatred.

I can paste here no. of websites in which one will be shocked to hear what the non muslims associate with prophet[pbuh], the things we cannot even imagine but u know it shows the nature of human being that in hatred they become so much blind that they forget all there moral limits. but definitely that doesnt mean we accept it as true or do we?

so plz do not give any importance to such things, these all are the voice of devils, the devil inside the man. God show them the right path. amen
This is the true Hidayath and many needs it.
am sure any good person who in true follow islam will not reject it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 September 2008 at 7:12am

Seeks hidayat and every one else.

Just plain simple one thing. It's no use wasting our energies with these two. We will talk with them ONLY when they produce PROOF of their beloved prophet's prophethood. Period.

It's futile to indulge in any of their games. They are both gamsters, fradulent posters.



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