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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 6:10am
My friends, you have known me now for sometime.
This man has listed Mirza G Ahmed as a prophet in his post above. I have been asking him for the proof of this an's prophethood for the last three days.
He just dodges the issue.
 
Now you tell me what shall we do with a chap who is just barking his assertions at us without providing any proof of the prophethood of a British agent that he has listed as a Prophet?
 
I seek your help and guidance before I begin to act against this evil.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 6:30am
Calm down my friend whisper. U need to relax and take a break. im worried about ur health. and if Prophet[sa] were to read to ur replies, im sure  he[sa] would be really upset/ashamed of having  followers like u.

and plz answer my question and have a constructive discussion or even if u keep screaming. that doesnt bother me a bit. and i guess from ur replys it is pretty clear as to who is a psychopath.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 10:55am
Calm down my friend whisper. U need to relax and take a break. im worried about ur health. and if Prophet[sa] were to read to ur replies, im sure  he[sa] would be really upset/ashamed of having  followers like u.

Don't worry on my account at all, please. And, the Prophet will be very pleased about a fraudster like you?
 
You want my attention?
PUT THE PROOF OF PROPHETHOOD on the table for the man that you have LISTED as a Prophet in one of your above posts.
 
Anything short of that will not work with the likes of us.
Just give us the proof. DON'T JUGGLE THE ISSUE as is your habit.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 11:02am
Mio pobre amigo
psychopath is a useless man with exceptionally low self esteem and other personality disorders who just keeps barking at others and ever fails / refuses to put up any proof for his assertions.
 
Comprende? or do I need to translate this also in Punjaubi for you?
 
I am telling you this once. PROOF of Prophet of a chap you have listed as a prophet in one of your posts above.
 
Do you understand what is PROOF? Or you want me to clarify that too in Punjaubi?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 11:18am
If i had the proofs, i wouldve been an ahmedi today. so u want the proofs, only a knowledgeable ahmedi can give them or study their books specially their khalifas, im sure it will help. My purpose was totally different here that is not to convince that there prophet is a true one as im still studying but to realize u all that they are peaceful followers of islam and not a threat to islam as one can see from their interpretation and so we should treat them with respect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 11:22am
psychopath do you understand we want just PROOF of prophethood of the man you have listed as a Prophet in your post above.
 
No more talking and no more juggling the issue. In fact no more of all your other sick trades. Just give us the PROOF or simply stop barking at us.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by seekshidayath seekshidayath wrote:

2. Did u read anywhere in Qur'an and Sunnah, that Isa AS, visited India, that too Kashmir. { It would be a uniting factor for us - indo-pak} Smile
3. They say that Isa AS, never ascended to heavens, Then where he is. Nauzbillah, in Kashmir, or around the Kabah of Qadiyanis, which i heard is in Punjab.

 
 

Some time back i saw this BBC Four documentary ''did Jesus Die on a cross''. which was made by interviewing several  historians, theologians and historical researchers.

What they show is that there are some signs/possiblity that Jesus might have migrated to  the mountains of Kashmir and also showed his possible tomb there which many people over there do believe  is that of a man from Israel accord to their ancestors and accord to what is stated  in the history of Kashmir.
Now its not a research of ahmedis but is of Christian researchers and theologians.

I dont know whether over here anyone has watched it, so i'll advice to watch it, it definitely gives a very good insight regarding this matter.
u can Google it or im sure u can find it on YOUtube, do watch it, plz.


and im not saying that what they are saying has to be true but these are carried out by knowledgeable historians, theologians and we must not ignore it. and They've got no advantage in proving that he migrated to Kashmir. They are just doing their research as they do in every other field and what they are saying is totally based on their study, research.

so this does makes me think that now that many others after research are starting to point out that there are signs of his migration to Kashmir,  ahmedis claim might carry some weight in it.

There are many other researchers/scholars/historians/theologians who have also written books on jesus in India/Kashmir as;

Christ Of Kashmiris by Anand Krishna who is a spiritual master from Indonesia
Journey into Kashmir and Tibet by Swami Abhedananda
Jesus lived in India by Holger Kersten
Where did Jesus die? by J.D. Shams
The way of the Essenes: Christ' s hidden life remembered by Anne and Daniel Meurois-Givaudan
The Jesus mystery by Janet Bock
The unknown life of Jesus Christ by Nicolas Notovitch



So  when more and more people outside ahmedis are starting to point out this possibility, then there must be something in it. and so we shouldnt rule it out.

There is also a book By the ahmedis Prophet "Jesus in india". That is an important one to read as it will give more detail as to what there exact views are.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2008 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 
 
 You are advertising Maudoodi un-necessarily. Would you allow me to present anything? I have also read the tafseer myself, in fact, more than you. There is nothing spiritual in it. But it is written in better style Urdu. I should say free style where Maudoodi sahib took much liberty with the language. That is all.
 
 If you have read the Tafseer then give your opinion on the three points by way of Maudoodi sahib as follows:
 
 1. Is there going to be any kind of prophet after prophet Muhammad?
 2. Is there going to be any kind of Wahi/Ilham after prophet Muhammad?
 3. Is Isa a.s. alive now  and has not yet died? (mind you read page 420 of the Tafseer volume 1.)
 
 These are the points that you should have enlightened every one with your knowhow. Not to advertise anything here. It is possible that you have learnt nothing from the books of Maudoodi sahib.
 
 So please mind about 1. Any prophet after our Prophet Muhammad?
2. Any kind of Wahi/Ilham in these days.  3. Life and death of Hazrat Eisa a.s.
Just discuss these from your point of view. That will help to understand the subject under discussion.


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 I didnot quote only Maulana Maududi's tafssir but at the same time i also quoteded oldest tafssir by Ibn Kathir which agree that there is no Prophet after Muhammad.

 Now i am going to quote tafssir by al-Jalalayn which agree that there is no prophet after Muhammad.

 
{ مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن رَّسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ ٱلنَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيماً }

Muhammad is not the father of any man among you: he is not Zayd�s biological father and so it is not unlawful for him to marry his [former] wife Zaynab [after him]; but, he is, the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets, and so he will not have a son that is a [fully grown] man to be a prophet after him (a variant reading [for khātim al-nabiyyīna] has khātam al-nabiyyīn, as in the instrument [known as a] �seal�, in other words, their [prophethood] has been sealed by him). And God has knowledge of all things, among these is the fact that there will be no prophet after him, and even when the lord Jesus descends [at the end of days] he will rule according to his [Muhammad�s] Law.(Source)

 Here is another famous tafsir 'Tanwir al-Miqbas' by Abd Allah Ibn Abbas (Cousin of Prophet Muhammad) which also agree with the above quoted tafssirs.

 
{ مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن رَّسُولَ ٱللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ ٱلنَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيماً }

(Muhammad is not the father of any man among you) i.e. Zayd, (but he is the Messenger of Allah) but Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah (and the Seal of the Prophets) with him Allah has sealed the advent of prophets, such that there is no prophet after him; (and Allah is Aware of all things) of your words and works.(Source)

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