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Whisper 
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 Posted: 16 October 2008 at 10:21am |
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Whisper, at present you should be advising the Pathans how to take in the invaders.
Yaar, I have never had any problem with any of your posts. We seem to have an interesting relationship despite a sharp bite here or two there. I respect you and I am just one of the whole lot of people here at IC who do that.
I can smell, sense people around and am unable to stand anything false or in some deceptive garb. Our problems were with this Sundance kid who came blazing his guns as if we were just all a bunch of idiots here.
You must have noticed that I steer clear of any religious discussions. You will never see me posting any religious or Quaranic references ever. I have no problem with jeehaad nor any love for it at all. I do appreciate some of YOUR points in your posts, but your posts and the whole debate was tinged by this man's credibilty infection!
I hold a global view of National Struggles for Freedom that I share with my friends, in England and Europe. Yes, people do hold the RIGHT to fight for their freedoms. People who do that are not terrorists. Only the Amreekis and the Brits label people fighting for their freedoms as terrorists.
Now, you may or may not count some national struggle as jeehaad. We, you and I, got to a sore point only when you refused or failed to answer my question on the Palestinian, Kashmiri and the Chechen struggles.
My friend, I never advise the Punjaubis, ever TILL los Punjabios start to finger in our affairs and specially for frying just some of their own agenda like this other man was doing.
We just respect your points, it's just that you got in the cross fire with this street urchin who had infiltrated the forum under false pretext.
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H3OO
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Posted: 16 October 2008 at 11:59am |
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Treaty of
hudaibiya
'Allah's Good Pleasure was on the believers
when they swore Fealty to you [Muhammad] under the tree. He knew what was in their hearts,
and He sent down Tranquility on them;
and
He rewarded
them with a speedy victory.' [fath 48: 18]
Nearly six years after the
Prophet's [s] migration to Madinah from Makkah [hijrah], he [s] had a
vision in which he found himself entering the Ka'bah in Makkah unopposed. He
took this as a good omen and decided to attempt the Lesser Pilgrimage
[umrah]. He [s] had not been to Makkah [his birth-place] since and was
craving to visit it.
The Prophet [s] along with the
other Muslims donned on the ihram. There was, from the conception of
the idea for umrah, no intention to fight the Makkans. Prophet [s]
purpose was only to visit the House of Allah.
Being an Arab custom, they were
entitled, as the others, to visit the Sacred Enclosed Sanctuary. However, the
Quraysh took this as the greatest threat ever.
They sent Khalid ibn al-Walid [who
embraced Islam less than two years later] with a troop of two hundred horse to
bar the pilgrims' entry by force of arms. The Prophet [s], having no intention
to fight, changed his [s] route and alighted on the plain of
Hudaibiya.
The prophet [s] and his Companions
remained in Hudaibiya for the next few days. There and then negotiations were
opened between the Muslims and the Quraysh. Having completed the preliminary
discussions, the Prophet [s] sent Uthman ibn Affan [ra], who was a member of the
influential and powerful clan of Abdu Shams. He was well received by his
kinsmen and also exclusively permitted to make rounds of the Ka'bah. He refused
on grounds that he would not make rounds before the Prophet [s]. This decision
pleased the Prophet [s].
When Uthman [ra] was late in
returning, a rumor got about that he had been murdered. On hearing this rumor,
the Prophet [s] immediately assembled his Companions and sitting under a wild
acacia tree, took a Pledge [Ba'ait al-Ridwan - Pledge of Good Pleasure] from
them.
The enthusiasm was great. One by
one the Companions came and pledged allegiance to him. The Prophet [s] swore
allegiance for Uthman [ra] who was missing.
Uthman's [ra] death fortunately was
what it was - a rumor! He returned to Hudaibiya and it became clear that the
Makkans were prepared to conclude a treaty.
The Quraysh sent Suhayl bin Amr to
draw up the terms of the Treaty.
The following terms and conditions were agreed upon-
During that period some believing women emigrants including Umm Kalthum bint Uqba bin Abu Muait [ra] who came to Allah's Apostle [s] and she was a young lady then. Her relative came to the Prophet [s] and asked him to return her, but the Prophet [s] did not return her to them for Allah had revealed the following verse regarding women-
It was a trying period for the Muslims. The treaty was a blessing in disguise. They had hoped to visit the Ka'bah and were now disappointed. Some of the general bitterness at having signed a treaty where the Muslim seemed 'obviously' at loss, smoothed over.
Most of the commentators assume that the above verse relates to
the conquest of Khaybar, which took place a few months after the Truce of
Hudaibiya. It is probable, however, that it is a prophecy of the almost
bloodless conquest of Makkah in the year 8H, the victorious establishment of
Islam in all of Arabia and, finally, the tremendous expansion of the
Islamic Commonwealth under the Prophet's [s] immediate successors.
'Speedy victory' could also mean the 'Treaty of Hudaibiya'
which was signed immediately after the Pledge of Allegiance.
The dream-vision the Prophet [s] had in Madinah before the expedition, which subsequently ended at Hudaibiya was fulfilled indeed. In the year 7H, the Muslims were able to perform their first peaceful Lesser Pilgrimage to the Holy City of Makkah. The Treaty of Hudaibiya proved to be of the greatest importance for the future of Islam. Muslims were united for a cause like never before. For the first time in six years peaceful contacts were established between Madinah and Makkah. This opened the way for the spread of Islam into the Pagan Arabian tribes. People of both sides could meet freely. New converts rallied around Allah's Messenger [s], first in hundreds and then in thousands. The Treaty brought about the moral and political victory of Islam all over Arabia. Now
i hope u have read this carefully and see the importance of peace
treaties which in the end proved to be a major success for the Muslims which at that time looked like a surrender/ a loss and many were unhappy with the treaty at the time it was signed as they felt it humiliating [see red text above] and one can see while signing the treaty what prophet[sa] [see red text above] had to go through
but for the sake of peace, he bear it, he bear all the humiliation though some
Muslims were not happy and were ready for the fight and wanted to but prophet[sa] didnt and Edited by H3OO - 16 October 2008 at 12:48pm |
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Whisper
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Posted: 16 October 2008 at 11:28pm |
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Treaty of hudaibiya I have never felt so bad for anyone in my 6 years at I C or, perhaps, even in my entire life. My dearest friend, Angel, would bear me out about Fezziwig and all those other frogs from the Pond and certify how really ill they were. Then we had that B59000. Community was just a wee worse. Oh, madre mia, just forgot our Syed123 and that was just last year and I made a full Morshed-in-Chief out of him. We have some experience of pests. My dearest and most precious Morshed, we had never met somone of your like before and hope never to see one again. Please can you understand that I have no heart nor the need to read through any of your posts? These are just a bit useless, too lengthy, though very Technicolor, but at once irrelevant to the situations you try to rub into us and what's at hand. You think we are some fools, a bit like your great nabi's flock, who are unable to see how Hudabiya - when the Muslims had won and went for a peace treaty - can ever be like when attacked by the filthiest of the world's army?
But the saddest part is that you landed in our midst with a serious credulity deficit. Credibility is trust in plain simple English language in case you have some problem in translating it - you seems not to know the word.
Can you give us just one reason why we should listen to anything you say when we know you are here not for some discussion, but merely to satisfy your psychosomatic needs. Have you accepted one single reference or even just ONE point ever tabled by anyone here? Is there one instance when you regarded any of the people we respect as respectable? You are here just to rubbish each and everything we say and drive us to step into the fold of ISLAM, which in your wake is to accept your nabi as a nabi. Till then, according to you and all other Ahmedis, we are just dungars (cattle). So, for that reason, I never even bother to read your posts or admire your colour schemes. Just forget about Hudabiya, tell me have you ever been to Afghanistan or Eyerak (as your masters call Iraq). In short, have you ever been occupied by Americans? Kicked about or buggered by them? Ever heard of Dr. Aaafiya Siddiqui? Sorry, I asked that last question. You would hold the view that if a woman hasn�t heard of Gholam Ahmed then she deserves even worse than this one has got. We know. Edited by Whisper - 16 October 2008 at 11:30pm |
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Whisper
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 1:26am |
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Even though whole of Afgaanistan has still not been occupied yet but it seems that the invading forces have come to stay.
My friend, that's exactly where we are different.
You tend to take anything the Hang Low Sexnons do as the Final Act. As if it's not subject to the ETERNAL law of Change. As if it were the ACT of some gaad himself.
In fact everything in our lives is impermanent. Their bullying and our occupations are both impermanent.
I think, one day you should ask me why I did not become a British National and who had predicted that there will be no dollar between 2008 and 2012 and, I promise, I will tell you all.
Sorry, I said that, you must be thinking that the dollar is also there to stay! As if it were some gaad! like your those masters of your thought? Edited by Whisper - 17 October 2008 at 1:33am |
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H3OO
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 2:55am |
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when the Muslims had won and went for a peace treaty
sir that just says it all about your ignorance. Read the treaty that i have pasted above and im sure you will get to know how much wrong u are in ur above statement but cant blame you. Important It were almost 6 years since Muslims last visited Makkah, their holy place and were even not even allowed to enter for their religious duties. Muslims were ready to fight and get their entry into Makkah through force and one can say that they also had right to but our great prophet[sa] didnt choose that way bcz he didnt wanted any fight, any blood shed, he wanted to resolve the matter peacefully and without any objections agreed to their terms just for the sake of peace though many Muslims were not happy. and one of the condition was that Muslims for this year cannot perform religious duties there but from next year they can but prophet[sa] didnt even objected to this. Why? bcz he wanted everything do be decided peacefully and someone has to compromise or the outcome will be negative and only good people have the courage to compromise, bad will never compromise. So the great prophet of great Lord did this and one can see that treaty afterwards turned out be a great milestone for Islam. It can get clearer than this. We all should learn from this great act of prophet[sa], his intelligence on how peacefully he handled the situation and avoided any bloodshed despite not being allowed to get into Makkah that year and atleast follow him. Surely he[sa] has shown us the way how to deal with such situations with peace. Edited by H3OO - 17 October 2008 at 5:37am |
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Whisper
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 5:25am |
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Whisper, its time for u to leave the invaders country and go to Afghanistan/iraq
It now stands proven that you just post for the sake of posting and sounding smart. And, you just distort facts and post these here. It does not matter whether these facts are from the Koran or about someone's profile. You just have to distort these to fit these in with your story! Now, you understand why we all feel such sadness about you? You have read my profile + my detailed �For Public Circulation� post. You are informed that I am in Spain. But, you just can not function without distorting facts. Your psychosis forces you to keep pushing with your lines exactly in the same manner as you have been oushed and battered in your earlier life. sir that just says it all about your ignorance.
We know, we are just absolute Dungaars (cattle) till we begin to look the way you look and accept your nabi as the most brilliant thing that ever happened in this pobre world! Why have you become so concerned about the jihaadi forces just out of the blue? Specially when all these chaps are just dungaars (cattle)?
Na tussi ona noo�n apniaa�n dhiaa�n dinday o. Na ona d janazay parrhdey ou tay na ee ona noo�n Muslimaan ginday ou. (You don�t allow your daughters in marriage to them. You don�t join in their funeral prayers. You don�t count these poors even as Muslims.How come you have suddenly become so concerned about the welfare of these pobre Mozlems? and teach them these things that i have been mentioning. Didn't know that you were also going to claim yourself to be a nabi or something similar? Like the one you have been advertising here for these past few weeks? Why would I even mention you, just forget about promoting your convoluted message, anywhere?
You are hiding behind a number and spitting out words without even noticing where someone lives. What grand vision! Almost like your nabi�s vision who couldn't work out that the Brits will leave his birth place and his flock will have to find some Rabwa. At this point when the US take is very low and when even the UK are being forced by their electorate to leave the coalition and your masters� great gaad, el Dollar, is in a suicidal spin - I will act on the advice of a chap whose nabi did not show up for a munazara arranged by my absolutely noble and illustrious grandfather? Just told you, you have become some great laugh. Please, do tell your controllers that you don�t irritate these Mozlems any more. |
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 9:25pm |
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Thank goodness He has not responded and now I can call it a day and go for a long siasta. Well, in fact, he never responded to any of our posts, he just carried on with his own propaganda by pasting long and just irrelevant references here.
I feel terribly sad for his condition.
He is really in a very bad shape. He thought, he would be counted as some scholar just by the sheer size and the volume of what he pastes here. Doesn't matter if it's relevant or not. He never dealt with any questions from anyone, ever.
Poor chap, just kept on honking his own torn little horn.
Just imagine! He arrived here around three weeks ago, he said that he had read a book by one of Mirza's sons. And, that had appealed to his LOGIC and he just sat up to demolish what the Muslims hold very dear to them.
You all know, I just have that Pathaan head and I committed the blunder of asking him if he had read any of the Punjaub's Great Made in Britain Nabi's own works? I have and I would not even wish to comment on their absolute vulgarity. I would spare even my worst enemy (if and when I find one!) any reference from his books.
He said no he hadn't but he appears a couple of weeks later and in all his posts he keeps claiming that he had read "their" books. One book turns into all their books just in a matter of 2 or 3 weeks!
I am glad that I will no longer be in contact - in any manner at all - with a chap who is in the habit id distorting all facts - be they from the Koran or from someone's profile - and specially after he has been informed of the actual facts.
He will just stand there and keep repeating himself out of context. I feel he is actually not some persons but one of those Auto-scripters the State Department has developed. They all mostly come with numeric post fixes, like our good old Syed123! Edited by Whisper - 17 October 2008 at 9:40pm |
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 9:40pm |
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That person Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani whom you call the Punjabi Nabi claimed that he was the promised Messiah of the Muslims. He had written about 80 books in Urdu, Persian and Arabic. How can any one read all his books so quickly? His books may all be available on the net now. Any one can read any of his books. But it will be difficult to understand them.
His first claim was that he was the Imam Mahdi. That he was the promised Messiah of this Ummah. Later, after 1901 A.D. He claimed that he was addressed by Allah as a shadow prophet and shadow messenger.
People argue about his claims. It is now more that 120 years. This discussion/ debate is going on.
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