Does Allah Say?

As'Salamu Alaikum WRWB,

Sis Chrysallis, its waste of my time to discuss with a person, who distorts Qur'an and hadiths . So i just ignore his posts.  Moreover, brother {Sign Reader} has answered him. So i think, there no point of explanation, to that hadith.

I asked a question to you, minuteman ?  {Read this whole post, and do not come with your line "It was a long post seeks, so i did not read}

When u state something, you shud backup with Qur'an and sunnah. When u state that apostate shud n't be killed, on what basis did you state that ? 

Here, for me, Madudi sahab is n't greater than the sayings of Prophet Muhammad.  His statement must be context based.  However Prophet Muhammad did kill a number of people who deserted Islam and so the punishment is Sunnah (actions and sayings of Muhammad) and hence Shariah, Islamic Law.

I said this earlier in a thread, and even now am repeating that the scholars say, it is not necessary that a hadith be supported by ayaat of Qur'an. Infact to understand to Qur'an, hadith is necessary. A hadith can be independent. Its not necessary that it be supported by  an ayah. Suppose if a hadith contradicts with an ayah, then it is not taken.

Let me also add, as why we take hadiths. Because Allah swt says in the holy Quran - """And whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, leave it. And fear Allah: truly Allah is severe in punishment. " [ 59:7]

Abdullah ibn Khatal, who had previously, accepted Islam, and been accepted Islam and been sent by Prophet to collect alms tax. A slave and one of the Ansars went along with him. Coming to a halt in their journey, Abdullah ibn Khatal told the slave to prepare a chicken for a meal, but the slave went to sleep instead, and was unable to prepare food in time. Abdullah ibn Khatal became angry and killed the  slave. Fearing that if he returned to Medina, the Prophet would exact retribution  for the slave's death, he turned apostate and joined infidels. There he used to abuse Prophet thru his poems. On the day of conquest of Makkah, he wrapped himself  up in the curtain  of the kabah. Here, we need to learn that on the day of conquest of Makkah when Prophet entered the city, he gave his commander orders not to do battle with anyone unless they themselves were attacked. If they took refuge  beneath the curtain of the Kabah, they were forgiven., But this person - Abduallah ibn Khatal was ordered to be killed  even when he wrapped himself in the curtain of Kabah. He was ordered to be killed in the very place. Abu Burza and Saeed ibn Harith {RA} executed him between black stone and place of Ibrahim {Maqam e  Ibrahim}. This shows the severity of the case.

Next  apostate was Miqyas ibn Subaha. He was also ordered to put to death when he turned apostate. He was slewed by Numaila ibn Abdullah.

Now my question to you is, when there was no such ayah in Qur'an , why did Prophet Muhammad {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} order them to be killed ?

There were other hadiths too posted by Brother {sign reader}. Am repeating them as a reminder.

Bukhari 9:89:271 - A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism Mu'adh said: "I will not sit down unless you kill him as it is the verdict of Allah and His Apostle"

Why did Mua'dh RA, kill him ? Why did he say that he shall not even sit down, untill he kills him ? Did you not read, when he said that it is the VERICT of Allah and His Apostle ?

Bukhari 4:52:260 Ali burnt some people (Zanadiqa, atheists 9:84:57) although the Prophet had said, "Don't punish anybody with Allah's punishment (Fire)" if a Muslim discards his religion, kill him"

What do you say about this hadith ? Why did n't Prophet, stop Ali from killling him ? Instead he was said, do not punish anyone with fire as its Allah ' s punishment.

You need to understand minuteman, that a person is n't  FORCED into Islam. Islam forbids us to compel someone into Islam. A person enters by hs own will, by his own choice. He is expected to submit himself totally to Allah swt. He surrenders the rights of his decisions to Qur'an and Sunnah.  Allah swt says in the Qur'an , "

33 : 36. It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error.

If Allah and His Messenger decreed a matter, no one has the right to go against that, and no one has any choice or room for personal opinion in this case. In Islam, a muslim if protected from kufr and shirks. When he accepts a right path willingly, is he allowed to be an apostate ? Can he declare that he does not believe in Allah swt. or Prophet or aakhirah or other tenents ? Islam does n't tolerate that. A muslim cannot reject fundamentals. Out of ignorance or out of any distractions or weak faith , one may have doubts of those fundamentals. He can question the, debate or discuss and get the understanding. But why does he desert Islam ? In order to protect the true religion from the defamation of the liars and to protect the faith of its adherents and remove obstacles from the path of those who are entering the faith. , they are to be killed.. Execution is the greatest deterrent that will prevent people from committing such a crime. Why does then death penalty exists in our laws {constitution} . Why is a person "hanged" . Death sentences and such laws are made to protect disorder in a society. To protect society against such crimes. Similarly, in an Islamic state wherein the laws are n't man-made, an apostate is to be killed so that he does n't spread this fitnah anymore. Just as upholding and protecting the constitution of a country is a sign of patriotism, and undermining it is a form of treason - in the same way open rejection of the fundamental beliefs of Islam by a Muslim is an act of treason. Apostasy i.e. the public declaration of rejecting the fundamentals of Islam, has also negative influence on the Muslim society, it is indeed a major fitnah.

1. A person of Hazrat Ali�s stature is presumed to be unaware of the fact that Islam categorically prohibits a person to be punished by fire.
2. The words �slay whosoever changes his faith� are so general that they can be interpreted in many ways. They can apply to men, women and children, whereas according to Imam Abu Hanifa and some other schools of jurisprudence, an apostate woman can never be slain.
3. The Arabic word deen (religion) used in this tradition is a general word meaning any religion, not Islam specifically. Even the faith of idolaters is referred to as deen. (Sura Al-Kafiroon)