Does Allah Say?

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   SR and Seeks and others interested

Brother Seeks, this one reeks of absolute illness. Poor chap, he doesn't seem to have the sense, common or even otherwise, to see that the hall is bare and even the chairs have been returned to the hirers. 

He is just on his own, shouting his head off just to the ceiling. Now you know what I mean by deep Psychosis? It's when we lose touch with reality in toto - and have the deep need to distort everything.

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Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 6:34am
	SR and Seeks and others interested Brother Seeks, this one reeks of absolute illness. Poor chap, he doesn't seem to have the sense, common or even otherwise, to see that the hall is bare and even the chairs have been returned to the hirers. He is just on his own, shouting his head off just to the ceiling. Now you know what I mean by deep Psychosis? It's when we lose touch with reality in toto - and have the deep need to distort everything.

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 7:00am
	Brother Seeks and Paa Jee, I suppose it has become extremely boring by now. Plus, I frankly feel very sad for this character. We all know the extent of his condition. We have all come across such characters at least a good few times in our lives. I suggest, we put an end to this poor chaps misery. Ab isska fateha parrh dei'n. Sehi hay na?

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 7:47am
	Paajee, Naajee, For Seeks: Thanks for admitting that there is no verse in the Quran ordering the killing of the apostates. Thank you very much. Now I have another question. But before that a short remark about your suggestion that I should now go to the Sunnah too. I will do. But your equating the Sunnah (Hadith etc) with the Quran is not good. You know that Hadith cannot be as reliable as Quran. What do you say? There are six or more books of Hadith. Bukhari and Muslim are more reliable than other books. Every sect has got his own bundle of Hadith. They do not accept the others hadith. Even the ahle hadith do not accept most of the ahle Sunnah Hadith. You are very quick in assuming things. Previously you were calling some one a fasle person because he died (100 years ago) in a toilet. That is your bad mentality. Now you are thinking that I am a Qurani. What are you? Assuming wild things about others. My present question is about Hadith and Quran. Do you consider them equal or do you agree that Quran is the top most i.e. superior to all things? reply then I will ask you another question about your previous post. I need some more information about something which you wrote. Then I will reply to you. Edited by minuteman - 20 October 2008 at 7:50am

Chrysalis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chrysalis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 8:39am
	Minuteman: Do you know that Quran is a form of Hadith? It is a Hadith Qudsi. It is wrong to say that Sahih Ahadith i.e. the authentic ones, are less reliable than the Quran. You know why? More than half the application of Islam, comes from Sahih Hadith. So, unless a hadith contradicts the Quran - it is just as reliable. And if it contradicts the Quran (which it does not) - then it is an error of the narrator. True, you cannot find an order on Apostasy in the Quran -just like you cannot find many other important aspects in the Quran - such as: - how to pray Salaat, - how to do wudhu (only 4 acts are mentioned, not the details) - how to do qurbaani - how to do Hajj - what is allowed/not allowed in Ramadhan (only basics are mentioned in Quran) - etc etc and so forth. So you cannot take the ahadith out of the equation, especially since there are supposed to be hadith that talk abt Apostasy. The only think I believe that is up for discussion is, whether or not the Prophet put conditions on apostasy punishment i.e. women not to be killed, enemy status etc. Like how H300 claims. . . Until, I cannot find proof, I will not believe either of the claims ofcourse, so i am not saying pat that H300 is right. However, if what he claims is true, i.e. such ahadith exist. Then it is worth looking into and exploring. . . .
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 8:52am
	Previously you were calling some one a fasle person because he died (100 years ago) in a toilet. That is your bad mentality. Just behave yourself, Minuteman, I have tolerated your absolute and utter ignorance and filed it under innocence. I request you, please, don't push your luck on that account, ever. I am already looking for someone, thank goodness, he chap is not in England, which is awash with los Punjabios. It won't be much of a task to find him in Switzerland. You and this chap are advertising a Nabi who went NO SHOW on three munazaras. I know about him and his lot in plenty. Qadiaa'niat is just great business and a personal dynasty. Go and practice your faith at home. I respect you for some unknown reason, just leave something for us to respect. You sad Koran distorters. Your sidekick even distorted plain facts on my profile just to suit his purpose. It is evident to us what your lot will not distort from the Koran.

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 8:56am
	That is your bad mentality. It's far far better than your FILTHY mentality of advertising this false nabi, here. I feel sad, you are exactly like your poor sick Psychopathic side kick. Perhaps just a bit worse as you love licking the Hang Low Sexnon feet more than he does. Please, Seeks, S*R and Chrysallis, no use, really, to respond to this one as well. I have met a few, they almost and always come with blockheads - perhaps its some natural retribution for their allegiance to that British Empire made nabi. They think, it's their duty to pester anyone and everyone who is not a Muslim in their wake. Anyone who has not even heard of that Mirza is not a muslim. The Ahmedis don't say Janaza of the Mozlems? Edited by Whisper - 20 October 2008 at 9:02am

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 9:04am
	Yes, Chrys, Hadith is very important after Quran and Sunnah. S*R has recently posted an important hadith about Mua'az bib jabal when he was appointed Governor of Yemen. The prophet asked him how he will be guided. He replied that he will follow the Quran. then he was asked if he did not find anything in the Quran, he said that he will follow the Sunnah... That tells all about the importance of the Quran i.e. it is foremost. I have got reply from Seeks that there is no verse in the Quran which says "Any one who changes his religion, kill him". Now after a little clarification from Seeks about his/her post, we will come to the subject of Sunnah or Hadith. There is no need to go back to Quran again now. Thanks for your help and guidance. Edited by minuteman - 20 October 2008 at 9:05am

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Post Options Post Reply Quote minuteman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 10:29am
	There is so much turmoil. islam is being ridiculed in the name of scholars. I personally believe that we have no problem about any Hadith or saying because we have the Quran. That is the standard and the yard stick. Right and wrong can be sorted out by the teachings of the Quran. It is well known that the life of the prophet s.a.w..s was completely in accordance with the teachings of the Quran. After the prophet passed away, Some Sahabah came to hazart Aisha r.a. and asked about the morale (Akhlaq) of the prophet. She asked them, "Have you not read the Quran?" His akhlaq was exactly according to Quran. We know that the prophet s.a.w.s. practically translated the Quran by his deeds. All his life was according to the dictates of the Quran. So what we call Sunnah, that is in accordance with the Quran. There is nothing in the Sunnah against the teachings of Quran. Quran is the real Hadith. It came from the heart and mouth of the prophet s.a.w.s.