Ali bin Abi Talib.

Assalamu alaikum
wa'alikumassalam

i really like ure answers as it makes me do further research...jazakallah....that is y my answers might take time...sorry in advance for future...
1) APOINTMENT OF LEADERS FOR THE JEWS: Read the Bible and its commentary by Reverend Matthew Henry. The Qur'an gave example chapter 2:146 and other verses of the Qur'an. They all obeyed Allah and if they failed were punished by Allah eg. Jonah and Zunnun.

i never said they were disobedient...but the main point i wanted to mention is that how were the successors of Prophet Musa (a.s) chosen...because the camparison (between the Ummah of Prophet Musa (a.s) and Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w))u have given is quite beutiful...i wanted to further discuss on it

2) Muhajirin and Ansar were descriptive following the Command of Allah Qur'an for eg Qur'an 73:10 etc. Those who drop the use of invented names and adopt the name of Muslim will all enter Paradise if they followed the Sunna of the holy Prophet.

so...according to as u say, those who call themselfs as ansar or muajireen are not following the sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) right??? that also means at saqifa, the people had forgotten the sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) and classified themselves as ansar and muhajireen....i want ure comment on this..

3) Aqeeda means Tawheed. Read this description in the book of Aqeeda written by Ibn Taymiyya and Jazaa'iri.

actually ibn taymiyya is not someone authentic at all...considering his writings being quite anti ahlel bayt (a.s)...surely the base of aqeeda is Tawheed....no doubt....

4) Abubakar did not wrong himself. It was the Ansar's who gave their claim of leadership and according to the Injunctions of Allah and the customs of Quraysh Abubakar was elected. Can Allah be wrong? Why should we not accuse of Ali for repulsing Abu Sufyan. Reflect on the following sayings of Ali in an address to Mu'awiya:
Allah (s.w.t) and the Prophet (s.a.w) cannot be wrong..i think u have sarcstically asked me.....but the fact is...people can be wrong..

a) If Usman was the right claimant of the Khalifate and a relative of the Messenger of Allah, (and the one who married his daughters), I, too am the right claimant of the Khalifate and his relative (and the one who married his daughter). Behold Allah has appointed me the Khalif with the concensus of the Muhajirins and the Ansars. (kifayat ul matalib p.58)

b) As you know well had the Khalifate been under the control or authority of certain people, they would have envied us and boasted for their favour on us.
c) Again your father (Abu Sufyan) visited me at the time of the demise of the holy Prophet and stressed on my right for successsion to the holy Prophet and the government and that he would support me against those who would oppose me. Then he requested me to advance the hand for allegiance, but I did not do so. (Tabari Vol. 3 P. 202)

the fact is...abu safyan is always considered as a hypocrite...Imam Ali (a.s) knew his evil intentions...
There were many reasons due to which Imam Ali (a.s) did not pick his sword....

Ali never disparaged the Sahabas he said, Look! Not for conveying news to you, I am recounting to you bounties of Allah to us. The emigrants and Ansar who were martyed in the Way of Allah were all superior persons. (Were Umar, Usman martyed before Ali!) But one martyr from us was such who was given the title of Syed dush shuhda and the Prophet in his funeral prayer offered 70 takbirs and thus gave him (Hamzat) a singularity. If, Allah had not prohibited (His Servnts) from self-praising, I, the describer would have enumerated many virtues (of my own self)). According to your view, I have envied all the Khalifs and revolted against all of them.. If that is a fact, even then this is not a crime against you for which I should offer my apology against you. YOU ARE PUTTING THAT BLAME ON ME ON WHICH I AM NOT INVOLVED ABOUT. (Naahj-al-Balaghah vol.2 p, 21)
can u please let me know as to in which sermon the above words have been mentioned...as i have searched these words on the internet..i could not find them in naahj-al-balaagah.....this book is available online...it would be ez for u to show me...

5) The names Allah named the inhibitants of paradise those who followed their prophets are Muslims, Righteous, Muttaqeen, Mansuuriun, etc. Any name besides these are inventions as in Qur'an chapter 33:4.
6) Election of Abubakr as explained earlier was based on the Command of Allah, the Sunna of the holy Prophet and the customs of Quraysh. It is not based on race like the Jews. For example the Levites.
surly the point of successorship is not based on race...it is only based on the command of Allah (s.w.t), as we see in the PAST that the appointment of successor/leader was done by ONLY ALLAH (s.w.t)...and none interveened in it..
7) For the killing of Sa'ad bin Ubaadah read Tabaqat Kubra vol 3 p 577. This is a lesson for us to all those who accepted Islam for personal gains.
it is rally hard to get the books u mention...can u please elighten me as to who killed and who ordered to kill saad bin Ebaadah(r.a).....

8) I read Umar married the daughter of Ali Umm Kalthum. If you deny it, it is not part of Islam. If I believe in it, it is not aprt of Islam. Me and you ar all Muslims and once we follow the Sunna of Muhammad we shall enter paradise.
Inshallah bro.. Inshallah All of us will understand the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) and do our best to follow it....and not be among the rejectors...

wsalaam
Asad Raza

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u have given an example of the Children of Israel, and compared them to the Ummah of the Prophet (s.a.w)...
can u please tell me how did Allah (s.w.t) choose the leaders of the children of Israel??? secondly were they obidient, or they changed the ways of Prophet Musa (a.s)...

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1st of all, i would like to ask, y do u differ the muhaajirun and ansars by calling them different names to adress them...
u claim that u r not a sunni, shia etc and just a muslim...i make the same claim...i am neither a sunni or shia...i am a true muslim....
but over here we are making a general comment...we all r muslims...but u surly have the aqeeda of a sunni...and u fiercly dont want to accept that abu bakr was wrong on his seat....i dont accuse u of dat...but its ure aqeeda right????

then the hanbali's shud not call them selfs as so, while other fiqha's shud not call them self with the names given to those groups???


infact, the Prophet (a.s) had denied that name calling (ansars and muhaajir) because he dint want his ummah to be a RACIST.....and for a fact act saqifa, the election of Abu Bakr was a cause of RACE AS WELL....am i wrong?


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in the book called Encyclopedia of Islam, the writer confirms that Saad bin Ebaadah was the chief of the tribe of Khazraj...please see end of page 296 in the following link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=l8g0XYsyWrQC&pg=PA296&lpg=PA296&dq=%22saad+bin+%22+khazraj&source=web&ots=3Xp_hjeO7e&sig=f9PiMeMhl-c459lYhW2fjGvsMy0#PPA296,M1

Do u know who killed H.Saad bin Ibaadah (r.a) with arrows?? and y was he killed??

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1st of all, the marriage of H.Ali (a.s)'s doghter never took place with Umar...
can anybody even imagine the high status given to maula Ali (a.s)....

Narrated Umm Salama:
The Messenger of Allah said: "Ali is with Quran, and Quran is with Ali. They shall not separate from each other till they both return to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
Sunni references:

al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p124 on the authority of Umm Salama
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 9, section 2, pp 191,194
al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani; also in al-Saghir
Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p173

Please dont forget that the QURAN IS HUJJAT OF ALLAH(S.w.t) AND HIS FINAL AND COMPLETE MESSAGE!!!!!!

It is very much clear that Imam Ali (a.s) is given a rank above all the companions of the Prophet (a.s)...The Prophet (s.a.w) has taken the garuntee of his character till the day of Qiyama.....

and still u say that he was the "son" of the Prophet (s.a.w)???? is that only the only status u could fine???? i am sorry bro, but the status of Imam Ali (a.s) is much higher than u have mentioned....should i list out even some of the Hadith wich talk about his merits??? even the some will be soo much....just to start with, i will just give 3:

(1) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in his Musnad and Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in Mawaddati'l-Qurba towards the end of the fourth Mawadda, have recorded that the Holy Prophet said, "O Ali! You shall discharge responsibilities on my behalf, and you are my Vicegerent over my following."


(2) Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal in Musnad, Ibn Maghazili Faqih Shafi'i in Manaqib and Tha'labi in his Tafsir (commentary) have reported that the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "O Ali! You are my brother, successor, vicegerent, and the payer of my debt."

(3) Abu Qasim Husain Bin Muhammad (Raghib Ispahani) in Mahadhiratu'l-Udaba wa Muhawaratu'sh-Shu'ara wa'l-Balagha (printed in Amira-e-Shazafiyya, Seyyed Husain Afandi, 1326 A.H.), part II, page 213, quotes from Ibn Malik that the Prophet said: "Verily, my friend, helper, Vicegerent, and the choicest of men whom I am leaving behind, who will pay my debt and fulfill my promise, is Ali Bin Abu Talib."

 

This is in reply to the above text u have given...

first of all...u have said that the sahaaba were witness to Prophet Muhammad's eemaan...and had declared that he had given the message of Allah (s.w.t) unadulterated....
the fact is...the kuffar also used to accepted the fact that Prophet (a.s) was "Sadiq" and "ameen"...thus saying with ones mouth doesnt have any merits if the heart is deviated...

For those who were with the Prophet (a.s), Allah (SWT) has also said:
"O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; But Him ye would not harm in the least, For Allah hath power over all things."[9:38-39>

 

Answer: The verse according to its Asbaabun Nuzuul was revealed at the instant of Tabuuk expedition, and the name of the hypocrites who refused to participate (80 in all) were recorded by then.  3 Sahabas who did not participate were pardoned by Allah. (9:118).  The number of the Sahabas that participated in the expedition was 30,000. I do not know the number of the people of Madina. So the percentage is very negligible; 3 out of 30,000.  


This is not the only instance where Allah (SWT) threatened to replace them:
"... If you turn back (from the path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you! [47:38>"
Could you tell me Who Allah is referring by "you" in the above verse? Are�nt they the hypocrites who were "with" the prophet (a.s.

 

Answer: Yes they were hypocrites and they knew who they were. They were not the Muhajiriin, but the people of Abdullah ibn Ubayy ibn Salul. Please do not accuse them of hypocrisy! They were so to speak our guinea pigs, rabbits, frogs and dogfish. These animals were dissected by those who want to become doctors so as to learn how to operate on human beings. The hypocrites were used as model by Allah to teach us and warn us what hypocrisy is all about! We do not take lessons, while we should have!  

Allah also said: "O you who believe! Do not raise your voices above the voAnswer: Yes thy wer the hypice of prophet ... lest your deeds become null while you do not perceive." (Quran 49:2).

Answer: According to Asbaabul Nuzuul this verse was revealed in relation to the deaf, Thaabit ibn Qays bin Shimaal. In another narration Abubakar and Umar raised their voices when a caravan from Banii Tamiim arrived. Umar started calling in a loud voice the name of Aqra�a while Abubakar was calling the name of another man. So the verse was revealed that they should not shout in the presence of the holy Prophet. Anyway we do not raise our voice in the presence of our leaders. But one good thing about the Sahabas was they said what was in their mind and advised the holy Prophet on what was best for them. If they raised their voice for him to hear is a different thing altogether.

Authentic Sunni traditions confirm that there have been some companions who used to oppose the Prophet's order and quarrel with him in several occasions:

a) There was the issue of the captives of the battle "Badr" that the Prophet ordered their freedom for payment of the ransom money (Fidyah), and these companions went against it.

Answer:  The captives of Badr were all Quraysh their relations.  They came to Abubakar and Umar asking them to intercede on their behalf. The holy Prophet sought their opinion as was given in the Siira. Then the holy Prophet was given the hard task of choosing between what Umar said and what Abubakar said. The Prophet showed leniency towards them while Umar wanted them to be beheaded. Understand the difference between opposing the Prophets order and advise please. Any body who opposed his order is dealt with on the spot. When the holy Prophet told the Ansars to withdraw from the battle field and were replaced by Hamza, Ali and Ubayda they obeyed him. The holy Prophet took their advise and they went and occupied the wells of badr and they stood on wet sand.    

b) There was the battle of "Tabook" that the Prophet ordered to slaughter the camels, to save their lives, and the same people went against it.

Answer: I have come across this incident in my reference books. It was said that the camel of Abu Zarr tarried behind and he disembarked and went on foot.

 

 There was the treaty of "Hudabiyyah" that the Prophet wanted to make peace with people of Mecca, and the very same companions went against it and they even cast doubt about the prophethood of Muhammad (PBUH&HF).
Answer: Please read the story of Hudaibiya carefully by Dr. Muhammad Abdulqadir Abu Faris. Let us praise the courage of the Sahabas and their determination to go and perform the Umra. They were already at war with the Quraysh and it would an insult to them to allow the Quraysh to deter them from performing the Umra according to their tradition. Allah gave permission in Sura 2:194. I could not imagine them bowing down to Quraysh if they were sincere believers. So you are saying that Ali bin Abi was a coward?  Look, they won the Badr, Uhud partially, Khandaq. Any way Allah pardoned them and they offered Bai�at to the holy Prophet which Allah was pleased with. Remember that Ali bin Abi Talib refused to strike the name Muhammad Rasulullah in place of Muhammad ibn Abdullah as requested by Suhayl.

 
d) the battle of "Hunain" where they accused the Prophet of injustice in distributing the war booty.

Answer: Yes. You must understand the Sahabas did not have the same level of understanding. It was the tribe of Hawazain who just embraced Islam who showed in- patience in the distribution of the large amount of the spoils. They did not understand the generosity of the holy Prophet. To the complainer Ju�ayl b. Suraaqa the holy Prophet said, �I have treated them generously so that they may become Muslims, and I have entrusted Ju�ayl to his Islam .Distributing spoils of war was the prerogative of the holy Prophet and nobody else. Dhuul-Khuwaysira also complained and accused the holy Apostle of injustice because the holy Prophet gave some Sahabas 100 camels each, others less then that and Abbas b. Mirdaas less. So what?  Only 4 people out of 6,000 troops complained. They were not even from the Ansars. It is unfair to generalize!

 

 e) There was the appointment of "Usamah Ibn Zayd" who was assigned as the leader of Islamic army by the Prophet, and these companions disobeyed the order to follow him.

 

Answer: Probably those who complained did not know that the holy Prophet promised Usamah that he will visit the grave of his father. The expedition had the secondary purpose of war, but the primary cause was the visit by Usamah to his father�s grave. Usmah was just 22 years old and naturally they would complain of that. The samething happened during the battle of Badr, Uhud and Khandaq. At least they obeyed the decision of Abubakar.

 

f) There was a tragic Thursday when the Messenger of Allah wanted to state his will,

 

Answer: I praised the action of the Sahabas because the holy Prophet said he left them the Book of Allah and his Sunna. We do not need any will from the holy Prophet. If Allah was not pleased with their action they could have been rebuked by Him.

And there are many more of such reports which can be even found in Sahih al-Bukhari. thus there were people even at the time of the Prophet (a.s) who promoted disunity and conspired against the Ahlel Bayt...

 Answer: Those who conspired against the Ahl-al-bayt were well known- the people of Egypt, Iraq, Persia and Syria. There case is with Allah. If He likes He will forgive them or else He will punish them according to their intention. But today Islam is 1429 years. We have no excuse to give to Allah for our utter failure to establish the Khalifate! This is the greatest debacle. We should be concerned with what Allah revealed to us. How old were Hassan and Hussein?

 
br. Friendhip...u are being naive wen u say that Allah (s.w.t) made abu bakr the caliph over the muslims...what happend at saqifa was a man made issue and decision was taken on the basis of personal liking.... infact the issue of caliphate cud have been sorted out after the burial of the Prophet (a.s)...because there was no emergency....as there was not war or any such political situation...

 

Answer: The holy Prophet said before a group of 3 Muslims embark on a journey they should select their leader. The incident of Saqifa was a decision taken by the Ansar and Muhajirin. Yes, the Ansar felt the shock of the departure of the holy Prophet more than the Muhajirin because he was their protector, who helped them against the children of Israel. Their action proved their understanding of Islam and the importance of a Khalifa of the Khalifa of Muhammad Rasulullah. Madina was their land and they were inclined to think of its protection. Imagine the Emperor Heraclius descending on them after the news?  Let us be careful. If Allah chose good people to lead the Children of Israel and that they never failed them, are you saying that Allah chose bad people for those (Muslims) following the Islam brought by Muhammad Rasulullah? Know that the whole of the Muslim empire rebelled except the people of Madina and Makka.

 

it is harsh to say that shias belive that Imam Ali (a.s) is the only one campanion who will go to Jannah...infact the view of the companionship of Prophet (a.s) is very clear...
as the quran had already warned some of the companions:

Answer: It is wrong for a Muslim to call himself with a name other than a Muslim. If after the battle of Banu Al-Mustaliq the holy Prophet disallowed the Muhajirin calling themselves Muhajirin and the Ansar calling themselves Ansar, then those who today call themselves with a name other then Muslim will have a case to answer soon.   Anyway the holy Prophet predicted the division of his Umma into 73 parts, only one is with him. I am a Muslim not a Shiite, not Ahl-al-sunna, no Qadiriyya, not Tijjaniyya or Ahmadiya etc.

as far as i know, saad bin ibaada (r.a) refused to give bay'ah to abu bakr..and his tribe khzraj was not in support of the caliphate.

 Answer: Sa�ad bin Ubadah an Ansar was the chief of banu Sa�ad. He was sick at that time. The Ansar thought of him as their leader as he was their leader during the second visit to Aqaba. Abubakar advised them that the Arab tribe would only recognize a Quraysh as a leader because of the position they occupied. He suggested the names of Umar and Abu Ubaydah. The argument continued. Umar refused and argued as I explained earlier. He quickly told Abubakar to lift his hand and he made hid pledge. He called the Ansar to do the same. They did. Yes, Sa�d bin Ubaada did not give his pledge and became determined to fight. The Ansar assured Abubakar that he is alone. He should therefore pay no attention to him. Anyway, I do not know if you read how he died. He died 15 A.H in Syria in a tunnel. His body quickly decayed (maggot) and those around heard a voice saying, �We have stung him with our arrows�.  Anyway, if the lessons in the Qur�an are not enough for one to fear Allah and to stick to Sunna, then as Ali bin Abi Talib said, �If I am guided anyone who followed me will be guided�. If what I said is true, then anyone who opposed me is wrong.

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in the end u have based the reason of caliphate given to Imam Ali (a.s) was due to age....and experience... infact the Ahlel Bayt (a.s) was given explicit merits over the other people...as a famous hadith says:

Someday (after his last pilgrimage) the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) stood to give us a speech beside a pond which is known as Khum (Ghadir Khum) which is located between Mecca and Medina. Then he praised Allah and reminded Him, and then said: "O' people! Behold! It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. Behold! I am leaving for you two precious things. First of them is the book of Allah in which there is light and guidance... The other one is my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you in the name of Allah about my Ahlul-Bayt. (three times)."

Answer: Yes the Ahl-bayt enjoyed special position in their position as Banu Hashim. This instruction is from Allah and hence the Sunna of the holy Prophet. Hassan and Hussein who did not participate in any of the Gazwa were given about 6,000 dirhams as their stipends! I have forgotten how much the wives of the holy Prophet were given. Umar bin Khattab paid 40,000 dirhams for the dowry of Umm Kulthum the daughter of Ali. Ali did not enjoy any special position except that of the �son� of the holy Prophet. During the Tabuk expedition the holy Prophet appointed a blind man ibn Maktum as his Khalifa in Madina and Ali as head of his family.   

Sunni Reference: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of the virtues of the companions, section of the virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1873, Tradition #36.

thus it is clear that one cannot deny that Imam Ali (a.s) was given a higher status during the lifetime of the Prophet (a.s) and that is true even after his (a.s)'s death....

Edited by asda - 13 October 2008 at 10:32am

 

  

 

 

Salaams br.Friendship..

there are many points given by you....and i agree with some while i differ with some....
can u please point out the "questions" u have raised for me???

thnx.

regards..