Does Allah Say?

Whisper, I did not have any doubt that you are a Muslim. I cannot see why you have so much antipathy (dislike) about a matter being discussed in the light of Quran and Sunnah?? Please try to be like a neutral gender spectator.

 

My friend, let's be honest and open, do you really take us to be Muslims? Do Mirza's followers attend Muslims' Janaza?

 

I have no antipathy for your discussion at all, it's a sheer dislike for bad smells and your sidekick does stink more than I have ever stood. My friend, you know me, I have always spotted and dealt with false persons here.

 

If you have any sympathy for this chap, please, get him some professional help before he harms someone, he is in that stage. I am a qualified + an experienced Psychologist.

Edited by Whisper - 20 October 2008 at 1:07pm

 

Just for an instance, this is the type of assertions he makes without any justifications.

Edited by Whisper - 20 October 2008 at 1:59pm

minuteman wrote:    Let us see whether I get a reply from Seeks before this thread is also closed. WE hope that discussion will continue. If necessary, undue abuse should be curtailed.    Madame Chrysalis, what is your honest opinion about the topic? About the death for allthe apostates? Should it continue or be suspended? It is seen that when the weak party is in trouble, they get the threads closed somehow.

I am glad you were helped by what sister Chrysalis said and that is well and good but you are still questioning her about the issue!
I think I need to walk you through the system of Islamic Jurisprudential process and get you to the verdict that all apostates need to be killed that fractured millat is littered with!

But if the Millat lacks the Amir doesn't mean Allah is not holding the millat responsible for its default for lack of the enforcement!
Moses was given the Law and he had problem enforcing it so went the Israelite with all the punishments, death and destruction and finally a law to themselves!
Jesus a final Warner about the LAW and still no enforcement!
In reality what was Prophet's role it was the law and also it's enforcement  and as long both were there things kept moving!

When the enforcement went down so did the Millat! Now the Justice is on hold but at what cost almost everything the Millat does has no recognizable value cuz their faithlessness to Prophet's MO!

The Sharia's totem pole!
Quran
Sunnah
Al Ijma by Mujtahid
Al Qiyas by Jurist!
Do you need to me to go into the detail or you can figure the inter relationship all these building blocks?

Now go read sura Kahf and I just quote one sign:

Al-Kahf (The Cave)

18:74 Then they proceeded: until, when they met a young man, he slew him. Moses said: "Hast thou slain an innocent person who had slain none? Truly a foul (unheard of) thing hast thou done!"

Now sit tight and think the range of of the law enforcement being given to the prophet is way beyond the realm we are discussing here!

The execution of a apostate is  a very small matter as compared to killing of the youth my dear for something he hasn't even committed yet but would have!

Have you seen "Minority Report" I thought I just asked!

Any more questions?

And if you or H300 are non believer s  in Sharia whether it is enforceable or not then it is a moot point!

weak party LOL

BTW: The Ahmedia 's Quran commentary on Surah Kahf is a trip to fantasy land! Go figure

Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 October 2008 at 2:41pm