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   H300, before answering any of your questions, i would like  you to answer this.
Why was al-aswad killed during the time of Prophet ?

And why was Musaylamah, killed ?

These were the ones who claimed to be prophets 

An other question

WHy did Prophet {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} not leave a hadith regarding coming of any prophet, as you claim ? 

Why did Prophet {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} order that the apostates be killed ?

I wish minuteman too , to answer this

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seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 9:53pm
	H300, before answering any of your questions, i would like you to answer this. Why was al-aswad killed during the time of Prophet ? And why was Musaylamah, killed ? These were the ones who claimed to be prophets An other question WHy did Prophet {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} not leave a hadith regarding coming of any prophet, as you claim ? Why did Prophet {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} order that the apostates be killed ? I wish minuteman too , to answer this
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 11:01pm
	H300, before answering any of your questions, i would like you to answer this Bhai, yeh bhi koi Hedrabadi hey keh kissi ki baat sharafaat se sunnay ga? Aur phir sehe sehe jawaab bhi de de ga? Yaar, yeh cheez behud beemar hey. Aur yehaa'n siraf hum Musalmano ki naak mein dum karnay ke liye yahan hey. (Brother, is he some Hyderabadi who will answer anyone rightly? My friend, this thing is seriously ill and is here for the sole purpose of punishing poor Muslims) You have watched, all his posts, these carry just the one message: Take this as FINAL - just because I HAVE SAID IT! Such assertions are the primary symptoms of a Psycho-Sociopath. Minuteman has posted some most important questions for him (above) just watch and see what he does! The next most important symptom of a sociopath is - they think they are above everything and all else. Very sad chap. Edited by Whisper - 20 October 2008 at 11:11pm

Sign*Reader Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sign*Reader Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 October 2008 at 11:07pm
	MM I reckon you don't want me to make up stories! I think it is enough as Allah swt has described him and leave it at that: 18:65 So they found one of Our servants, on whom We had bestowed Mercy from Ourselves and whom We had taught knowledge from Our own Presence. What I see him a great teacher who would show the signs and secrets of world those were not visible to a Prophet who was to be given so many laws and miracles to promulgate over the relentless race! Edited by Sign*Reader - 20 October 2008 at 11:14pm
	Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 October 2008 at 1:31am
	I think it is enough as Allah swt has described him and leave it at that: Paa Jee, you mean you are not going to reinvent the Koran? Edited by Whisper - 21 October 2008 at 1:37am

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 October 2008 at 2:54am
	Bhai, yeh bhi koi Hedrabadi hey keh kissi ki baat sharafaat se sunnay ga? Aur phir sehe sehe jawaab bhi de de ga? Yaar, yeh cheez behud beemar hey. Aur yehaa'n siraf hum Musalmano ki naak mein dum karnay ke liye yahan hey. (Brother, is he some Hyderabadi who will answer anyone rightly? My friend, this thing is seriously ill and is here for the sole purpose of punishing poor Muslims) I know that brother, but when i read sis Chrysallis's posts, i felt that even other silent readers might be viewing us the same. They must not have gone thru all those threads, we had been dealing with him since last months. They might not understand, as why we are tough to this person. So i thought, these answers of his questions, shall show up our readers the seriousness of the fitnah, he is rising in. There are many readers who are either new to Islam or studying Islam. They all take his thoughts as Islam. Anyways, let us wait for him to answer those. By the way minuteman, u did write that when we do not find an ayah in the Qur'an, we shud go for sunnah. Then why are you hesistating to accept the fact of apostacy.. There is no ayah of the Qur'an related to it, but it is the sunnah, and even hadiths say so.--- Edited by seekshidayath - 21 October 2008 at 2:56am
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Post Options Post Reply Quote seekshidayath Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 October 2008 at 3:14am
	h300 AND Minuteman, read this link and answer me if Al-Aswad was ordered to killed by Prophet Muhammad {saws} since he was an APOSTATE or because he claimed Prophethood ? http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13398
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

H3OO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2008 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 215	Post Options Post Reply Quote H3OO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 October 2008 at 5:23am
	seeks said And why was Musaylamah, killed ? These were the ones who claimed to be prophets ______________________________________________-- Plz read everything but If u find my post too lengthy to read, then atleast do concentrate on the red texts. It is recorded in the history of AlKhamis: "Majority of Banu Hanifa joined Musailma, the great liar. He seized Yamama and expelled the governor of the Holy Prophetsa. He (the Governor) informed the Holy Prophetsa about it; after the passing away of the Holy Prophetsa he informed Hadrat Abu Bakrra. In response to this Hadrat Abu Bakrra sent Hadrat Khalid bin Walidra with a huge army to battle Musailma. Tarikhul Khamis part pertaining to the account 11AH, by Hussain bin Muhammad Dubnul Hasan al-Dayyar Bakri In short, the Companions did not fight Musailma the liar, and his tribe of Banu Hanifa only because of their apostasy. Rather, they fought him for the crime of rebellion, because Musailma was a rebel and he had declared war against the Muslims. Tarikhul Khamis part pertaining to the account 11AH, by Hussain bin Muhammad Dubnul Hasan al-Dayyar Bakri, Published by Mu�ssasa Sha�ban, Beirut. In addition �Allama �Aini in his Sharhi Sahih al- Bukhari writes: "Hadrat Abu Bakrra only fought against those who refused to pay Zakat because they stopped Zakat through the sword and made war against the Muslims." �Allama Mahmud bin Ahmad �Aini, �Umdatul Qari, Sharhu Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 14, Page 81. In Tarikh Tabri, the related circumstances are summarised as follows: As soon as the news of the illness of the Holy Prophetsa was out, it was also reported that Musailma had taken over Yamama and Aswad �Ansi had taken over Yemen. Soon Tulaiha also claimed prophethood, thus becoming a standard bearer of rebellion. He gathered an army and went towards a place called Sumaira� to fight the Muslims. The populace followed him in great numbers and the situation thus became critical. Moreover, Banu Rabi�a announced rebellion and apostasy in the region of Bahrain, and claimed that they would restore monarchy into the dynasty of Mundhar once again and appointed Mundhar bin Naghman their king. Soon afterwards, the governors of the Holy Prophetsa sent reports that the high and low had rebelled in all the regions and the rebels were persecuting the Muslims in all sorts of ways. In the beginning Hadrat Abu Bakrra continued to have a dialogue with the rebels in the manner that the Holy Prophetsa used to hold negotiations with the rebels through the emissaries. {very important] However, the tribes of �Abs and Dhubyan started advancing their army towards Medina while brutally murdering the unarmed Muslims of their region. The other tribes followed suit. At this Hadrat Abu Bakr vowed that in return of every single Muslim killed, he would kill one rebel. In fact he would kill more. Subsequently, that is exactly what he did. He sent a message to Khalid bin Walidra that promptly after the capture, he was to kill a each rebel who had killed a Muslim in a most exemplary way...... ....He warned the administrators of the Islamic government thus: 'O, usurpers! return our country to us. You may keep whatever wealth you have accumulated but get out of our land.' The Muslim administrator was then replaced with �Amr bin Hazam and Khalid bin Sa�id bin Al-�As as the rulers. Later, Aswad took his army to attack San�a� and having murdered Shaihar bin Badhan, who was the administrator appointed by the Holy Prophetsa, seized San�a and murdered the other Muslims. Hadrat Ma�adh bin Jablra escaped and saved his life. Once he reached Ma�rib, he informed Hadrat Abu Musa al-Ash�ari of the situation............ ............Musailma gathered a lot of strength and force. A woman by the name of Sajah, who had made a claim to prophethood, came forth to battle with him. He was apprehensive of her and having reconciled with her, persuaded her into battle with Muslims in these words: 'Had the Quraish (Muslims) been fair, they would have kept half the country and handed over the other half to us. However, they have been oppressive to us. Will you be willing to marry me, so that we can both get together with our tribes and swallow the entire Arab tribes. He thus married Sajah and came out to fight the Muslims. His army numbered 40,000. Hadrat Khalid bin Walidra confronted him and defeated him. Tarikhul Tabari by Muhammad bin Jarir Al-Tabari, Vol. III (the account of 11AH), Published by Darul M�arif, Egypt 1962. The history books and biographies relate the crisis of apostasy and revolt as follows: 1. "This crisis of revolt and apostasy spread like fire and within a few days had reached from one end of Arabia to the other. The rebellious apostates expelled the Muslim administrators and inflicted grievous torture on the faithful Muslim of their region and brutally murdered them." Dastani Islam, Part 2, Khilafati Rashida, p23 by Shaikh Muhammad Iqbal It was not that Hadrat Abu Bakrra had ordered to have them killed as a result of being informed of their apostasy. Rather these cruel wretehes were killing the innocent Muslims for what was for them the crime of apostasy on the part of Muslims in that they (the Muslims) had left their (the apostates) faith and had accepted Islam. They were threatening to kill Muslims if they did not revert to their original faith. It were the apostates who, subjecting Muslims to all kinds of torture, were punishing them for their alleged 'apostasy'. To bring these torturous punishments to a halt, Hadrat Abu Bakrra mobilised his army and marched on against them for the crime of raising general revolt against the bone fide Muslim government. The author writes: "Those who could save their lives fled to Medina and sought refuge there. The rebels did not settle on this and started preparing to attack the centre of Khilafat. During this time, per chance �Amr bin al-�Asra returned from Bahrain. He observed that the apostate armies had camped from Yemen to Medina. The enemy�s army was innumerable like the sand of Arabia and confronting them were the handful Muslims with no battle equipment."Ibid p23. Another historian writes: "Soon after the haven of our celebrated master was lifted, signs of rebellion against the religion of Allah started to emerge from the length and breadth of Arabia. Only the inhabitants of Mecca, Medina and Ta�if remained steadfast. This crisis of apostasy and rebellion spread like wildfire and reached from one end of Arabia to the other within days. The apostates expelled Islamic administrators and started mercilessly killing true Muslims. Those who could flee took refuge in Medina. Seeing the success of the Holy Prophetsa a few tried their luck at homemade prophethood. Many false prophets arose in different tribes. Among them was a famous person called Tulaiha bin Khuwailad. His real name was Talha but the Muslim derogatorily called him Tulaiha. He belonged to the tribe of Banu Asad that was an old rival of Quraish. Tulaiha had assumed prophethood during the lifetime of the Holy Prophetsa." Islami Dasturi Hayat by Ghulam Ahmad Hariri [not the ahmedis prophet], pp. 402-403 The author adds: "However, at that time his deception did not work. After the death of the Holy Prophetsa the entire tribe came under his trap. He abolished the prostration in the Salat on the pretext that it hurts. He also cancelled Zakat. As a result, those who rejected Zakat became his disciples. Tulaiha organised a huge army and sent it to Medina. Hadrat Abu Bakrra came to battle the army and the attackers fled!" Ibid. Thus until such time that Tulaiha sent the army to Medina, Hadrat Abu Bakr did not even contemplate that the punishment of a false prophet should be to fight against him. He only foght after Tulaiha sent his army to medina to attack muslims. seeks and others, just look at the series of events that happened before any action was taken against them but its so sad, how some of our scholars ignored them all and instead shed the light on a tinyminy matter that is the change of religion when reality is crystal clear that the action was against their cruel, merciless behaviour [waging a war against Muslims, ruthlessly killing Muslims, abolishing pillar of islam by force] seeks, how much more detail, u need for accepting a straight forward fact. I have explained enough here and in my pervious posts . Edited by H3OO - 21 October 2008 at 8:43am

H3OO Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2008 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 215	Post Options Post Reply Quote H3OO Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 October 2008 at 5:28am
	Seeks stated Al-Aswad's tribe, the Banu Mudh-hij, were the first to respond positively to his claims to prophethood. With this tribal force he mounted a raid on San'a. He killed the governor, Shahr the son of Badhan and took his wife to himself. From San'a he raided o ther regions. Through his swift and startling strikes, a vast region from Hadramawt to at-Taif and from al-Ahsa to Aden came under his influence. ___________________________________ in the light of my pervious post, and the above blue text, the answer is clear again here as to why they were actually fought. Had they been peaceful, and not brutely killed Muslims or waged a war against them, no one would have touched them. Murder for a Murder, slap for a slap, peace for a peace Thats Islam, the beautiful Edited by H3OO - 21 October 2008 at 5:54am