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Gulliver
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You don't see the big deal with Aisha's age Shasta. A man in his fifties and a 6 come 9 year old child. Juliet was around 13 too. But at least Romeo was of a similar age - 15. Wherefore art thou Romeo ? Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
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Thanks Shasta.
I have read 13-15 was the usual time for girls to be old enough to be engaged.
I have also read 20-40 for Joseph's age.
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Ron Webb
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What hasn't changed? I've already mentioned lifespan. People today can expect to live two or three times longer than they did a thousand years ago. Wouldn't you live your life on a radically different schedule if you were "middle aged" in your early twenties?
But that's only the beginning. In some ways the very concept of "childhood", of protecting and sheltering children from the adult world, was only invented in Victorian times. Prior to that there was no real distinction. Children were simply underdeveloped adults. They participated in most aspects of society, both in work and in play, soon as they were physically strong enough or intellectually capable. Childhood was a disability to be overcome as soon as possible -- not a halcyon, blissful state to be indulged and cherished.
Modesty? Even as late as the Middle Ages there were rarely separate bedrooms for adults and children, even among the nobility. There was little need for sex education -- children learned by direct observation. Need I say more? Edited by Ron Webb - 03 November 2008 at 6:17pm |
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Shasta'sAunt
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Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 04 November 2008 at 4:59am |
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Shasta'sAunt
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"You don't see the big deal with Aisha's age Shasta. A man in his fifties and a 6 come 9 year old child. Juliet was around 13 too. But at least Romeo was of a similar age - 15. Wherefore art thou Romeo ?" Where did I state it was not a big deal? I stated that no-one really knows Aisha age, and even though she was undoubtedly young by today's standards 2000-1400 years ago things were clearly different. Not just within Islam but within Judaism and Christianity.
Believer: If Joseph were just 20 years old at the time he married Mary and he was already a widower with other children then how old would he and his first wife have been when they married?
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Hayfa
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People all over the world still marry young, as Ron pointed out, its about life span. People who only live on average to 50-60, marry young. Children also work, or expected to contribute as soon as possible. And still in many places people marry younger. Its the cycle of life
They also still live in one room or such. How much kids "learn" no idea.
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Gulliver
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Interesting Shasta. Thank you for the references and feedback here. I do appreciate all of it - even I am not the most patient at times.
I'd LOVE to know who Jesus truly was/is. And same for Muhammad. Maybe one day.
You all gotta admit - there is soooooooo much 'stuff' out there to wade through - it would completely fry your brain. Leaves me I just want to not bother looking anymore and stick to my simple faith and belief in God. Edited by Gulliver - 04 November 2008 at 6:11am |
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Gulliver
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"Modesty? Even as late as the Middle Ages there were rarely separate bedrooms for adults and children, even among the nobility. There was little need for sex education -- children learned by direct observation. Need I say more?"
I was referring to Muslim society there Ron. Maybe they were all at it like dogs in front of their children from day one. Dunno.
People today can expect to live two or three times longer than they did a thousand years ago. Wouldn't you live your life on a radically different schedule if you were "middle aged" in your early twenties?
Maybe. I wish I could live it wholly day to day, and not worry whether I was gonna live ten or one hundred years.
The 'concept' of 'childhood' only developed in Victorian times ?
Not so sure about that one Ron. I need to read some more. The OT does talk about 'God' nurturing and protecting like a mother hen. Kinda sounds like 'childhood' to me. And the relationship of the individual with God as Father, is one of a child cared for, nurtured and protected by a loving parent. Though as 'children' - we are thrown into a hellish realm to grow up pretty fast it seems, in this lil ol world. So you could argue it either way there too I suppose.
When I ask, "what has changed ?" What I am getting at is that IF it is considered today, to be harmful to very young people/children to marry them off, have them bear children, and shove them down coalmines - why is that ? Why wasn't it always considered that way, especially by those with a direct link with the Creator ? Why have our attituded, beliefs changed on these matters, and do we 'know better' than they did in the past. IF that were the case - why didn't someone speaking for God make that clear too ? Not just Muhammad - any of 'em.
I see and understand what you are all saying. Course I do. Just wondering about those speaking on behalf of God.
And the good doc would seem to imply that we don't judge the past by today's standards. So why judge certain things today by the standards and ignorances of the past ? Which fundamentalist religious nutters believe they are divinely inspired and sanctioned to do.
It's interesting. One is learning - despite the frustrations I can see you're having in getting your points of view across ;-) lol
God bless
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