’just jihad?’

For heaven's sake don't just lose whatever little goodwill you may be left here with us for the sheer sake of smartness. You well know that when you click on my profile you find my real name there!

Have you ever been anywhere near Afghanistan? It's one country you can't bullsh*t me about. Come on tell us what has been handed over there? And, to whom?

You must think we are really a bit thick here in this forum? And, we would believe anything just because it's said by an American? My friend those days are long lost when people used to respect the American word like that.

Let's climb down to the reality land and talk a bit just at man to man level. 

Do you or don't you understand that we are NOT comparing Muslim leaders with anyone here. Have I ever said that these Muslims re any better than your ratched lot? Just even once? You are getting into that comparison. Not me.

We are simply discussing US occupations, here, right now. It's sad, but I will have to ask you do you know what occupation means? I mean in the normal ordinary terms. In some dictionary. Not in Dick Chenny's head.

Even the US intellectuals, those people who happen to have a wee more than just the two brain cells to rub together, do understand what the US is doing to the world. If you don't understand what's happening in the world and to your country's image, please, go and bark at your Vice President's door, not at ours.

He promised you some rose garden. We did not.

Whisper wrote: Saddam never claimed to be a Muslim.

ya, he even had a tatoo on his arm, by Islamic law he should have his arm cut off shouldnt he.  Great laws demand respect even if they are barbaric.

To say the US was occupying Iraq, i can agree with but sence elections we are no longer in power, the Iraqi elected government is.  There would not be nearly as much of a US presence in Iraq if the security of the country was stable.  To many people want Iraq to be in civil war which is exactly what would happen if the US simply left the country at this point.

Its easy to point fingers at this point and say get out but if the US and UK did the place would be over ran with Insergent Islamic Extremest which would make there way to power similarly to how the Taliban did, by barbary in the midst of civil war.