temporary marriage/mut`a

Chrysalis: I think what BMZ was saying was that the nature of the Mutaah is such - that no brother would like his sister to be in a 'temporary' marriage.

No difference, what I am saying is that the feeling of people must not change the religion. If something is Halal or Haram in religion (and it is proved) then it is. We can not argue based on what people would or would not like. Perhaps people are misunderstood about a religious context in a period of history, having bad feeling about that. One may think that the aim of Mutaah is sexual satisfaction and nothing else, while in my understanding it is not. As far as I know, Mutaah is a contract between the two. As long as each side sets a term and condition (e.g. not having sexual activity) and the other side accepts it, then they can not break the promise religiously.

Consider a Muslim brother and his Muslimeh sister. The sister is divorced or widow and is single. The sister would like to have a man. Now consider following hypothetical situations:

1-      The sister starts dating with strange men (even perhaps non Muslims) which is of course out of marriage and Haram, while she is to be endangered of committing fornication, a greater Haram.

2-      The sister starts getting know a Muslim through temporary marriage (with having the right of setting conditions as I said above) with the possible potentials for it to be eventually turned into permanent marriage and make a family.

3-      The sister bans any relationship on herself just waiting for a chance in which a suitable Muslim may come to her asking for a permanent marriage. A condition which may never take place in the rest of her life.

Now what do you think the opinion of the brother would be? Should it be still a straight NO?

Edited by myahya - 02 January 2009 at 7:06am

Interesting development in Mutaah now.

It is not a development. It is only different from what you had always thought of it.

So people actually 'contract' Mutaah only so they can have an interesting converstation about the weather over a cup of tea? Thats a temporary 'Marriage' ?

I did not say that it is only a conversation. I gave a possible example. Furthermore, it seems you are establishing a new development in Marriage which can only be named "Marriage" after the first sexual intercourse.

My logic would say if a Muslimah wanted a man, she would like a permanent one - like I donno - in a Nikah perhaps???

If it happens in the first place it is the best of course, making a family. But in reality the conditions do not always allow any individual in any situation marry permanently.

So basically what you are saying is, that Mutaah is "Islamic" Dating ? Getting to know a man before marriage, with possible potentials for a 'permanent' marriage?

Actually not, what I said was an instance. It is much wider than a dating. It can cover from a simple dating to permanent marriage.

Muslims are allowed to meet/know a prospective spouse under Islamic limitations, without the elaborate/confusing/outdated need for a sham/temporary marriage�. So what you are saying is, it is better for a woman to become a Temporary wife, and risk emotional baggage / a child - all the while knowing that this relationship is bound to end and is temporary and not even 'legally' recognized, save perhaps one country only.

 I do not generalize what is better for a Muslimeh woman. It is an individual dependent case and a Muslimeh woman has hypothetically the right to decide what is better for her (without committing any Haram) while she is not forced in any way to marry temporarily.

I have to say again that: whether it is legally recognized in today�s Muslim (Shia or Sunni or whatever) countries or not, it does not bring religious validity or invalidity to it in Islam. This issue (like many other similar controversial subjects) should be resolved through academic debate between Muslim Olamaas and experts in Islam to converge to the point that is REALLY the will of Allah swt and his Messenger. The will of Allah determines what Muslims should or shouldn�t do, not the reverse.

In addition, could you present a justification why there exist Zena statistics in Islamic societies with the presence of �Islamic dating + permanent marriage�?

I think the brother would prefer his sister became a 2nd wife - rather than a temporary one, since thats 'permanent'/legal - better for the woman, and her children. Wouldnt you think so?

In fact the wish of the brother does not guarantee that it happens for his sister, does it? 

Edited by myahya - 04 January 2009 at 2:49am

The origins of Mutaah, and its basic purpose is sexual satisfaction - for those who do not wish a longterm partner.

I do not know why you are pessimistically viewing that members of a society are definitely waiting to abuse any condition to escape from permanent marriage.

A healthy Muslim or even a human being (in soul, brain and faith) does not wish a short-term partner while he/she does really have all necessary conditions to make a good permanent partner and family.  Those who (in spite of having the conditions to make a family) do not wish a longterm partner to intentionally serve their Nafs will commit adultery even if they have permanent partner in a permanent marriage.

You know in Muslim societies people commit fornication or some other forms of Haram (like masturbation) or other great sins. Socially speaking, why do you think sticking to permanent marriage have not solved these problems? And what if, on the Last Day, we recognize that Mutaah was Halal and it could preserve thousands of Muslims (in history) from such sins but Muslims had wrongly banned it on themselves committing so many Harams instead?

abosait wrote: Sign*Reader wrote: OMG Who doesn't know these guys? Why would I ask you if I knew? And how do you know them? Are you an offspring of that dynasty that empowers you to speak so firmly about their private life? Sign*Reader wrote: ........The number of children that Ibn Saud fathered are unknown,...... No, I'm not an offspring, but I personally know the wife, the daughter and one of the two son's of Prince Faisal, who is a grandson to Ibn Saud. Unknown to whom? Wouldnt the children demand their rights? Sign*Reader wrote: he had 37 sons by 16 wives..........  His number of wives is put at 22 though never more than three or four simultaneously........ King Saud had 53 sons and 56 daughters, number of wives AOA! Please produce proof of those contradicting  statistics which you wish to spread on the net? Or have you copied that from some book of fiction?

You can check for yourself  at :
 
http://www.katagogi.com/CreateTree/DrawTree.aspx?fid=697&l=EN