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Originally posted by thomas-philip thomas-philip wrote:

thanks all for your insights on this topic.  As a (Roman) Catholic Christian who had a Protestant mother (Dutch Reformed), I was raised to look beyond the rules or doctrine of any faith and not blindly accept what is been taught to me.  Although I have read many passages from the Quran and Bible(s), I am by no means an expert, but have come up with my tenants to which God will some day judge me:
 
1. follow the 10 commandments (and dont lose sight of the 1st commandment.)
2. love one another
3. practice forgiveness
 
The many people who throughout history have tried to teach God's word to us, be it the prophets and others of good deed, are to be studied and to try to learn how to follow God's way. 
Since we ALL are human, our works here on earth are flawed and since the Bible & Quran are of human origin, then the words there will forever be open for interpertation.  (I must admit I do struggle with the Quran stating Jesus was not crucified, but I can live with that) Muslims have a valid point when it comes to Jesus's divine status and the proclaimation of the trinty-- again human flaws when trying to comprehend God's work.  I do believe Jesus is the son of God, as is ALL of us- for are we not His children?  He also is the son of man too. Saints in the Roman Catholic faith are God's instruments in spreading His word; the leaders of my faith I think get a little too carried away in their doctrines, but they are human and warrant my forgiveness--and yours. 
To those who follow the Quran:like you, I am a follower of Abraham, Moses, Issiac, Jesus and after reading Mohammed's teachings, there are many that I can learn from in my goal of reaching heaven.  BUT,  my faith is rooted in that Jesus died on the cross for us all.  His words of loving one another and teaching us of God's law has been tainted by numerous people in the past 2000 years.  Please dont paint all us Christians with too broad a brush.  We have too much in common to be divided by our differences... for God is waiting for us to understand we ALL need to follow no. 2 & 3 above when praticing our faith to Him.  the sooner we do this, the sooner we will receive His grace.
 
 
Thomas-Philip,
I respect the way you believe,  if I may ask a couple of questions based on what you stated to be your belief.
1-How do you draw the conclusion on Jesus (pbuh) being son of God, as is all of us? And what you mean by 'son' here?
2-Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross for us all, what do you mean by that can you explain?
 
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62

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Assalamu alaikum.

Thomas-phillip posted. I do believe Jesus is the son of God, as is ALL of us- for are we not His children?  He also is the son of man too.

Response: First of all, I have to congratulate you for having the courage to read the holy Qur'an. There are a lot of guidelines and principles that you need to know to guide you. I hope with time you learn them in this forum. The holy Qur'an is a Message and a Reminder from Allah to the and involving the offsprings of Abraham because his 2 children were the primary conveyors of the Message. Muhammad in reality did not come with a new Message, but came to tell the world what He Revealed before Muhammad. The Argument of Allah is that His Servants were misguided. His Mercy and Love dictates that He would not punish anyone out of ignorance, but only after evidences, proofs etc are made available to one, and then on his own volition refused to understand. Allah Swore by Himself that He has created human beings and have given them hearing sight and understanding necessary to know Him and worship Him. The one not able to understand Allah is free from blame for his case is with Allah to decide.
Now the issue is that the Arabs (Quraysh) in the 13 years Muhammad preached in Makka never denied that what Muhammad told them about Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lut, Isaac, Ishmael were untrue or fabricated. The stories of these Messengers formed the Book of Genesis. There was also the story of Moses. Here and there Allah kept on inviting the Children to say something about Muhammad, if the Truth he brought contradicted what they knew. No one of them ever challenged him. Their stories are enough to make one understand Allah, fear Him and worship Him. There are one ot two signifcant emphasis.
When Muhammad made the Hijra, he met the Children of Israel in Madina who according to history came to Madina awaiting the Messiah as told in their scriptures- the OT. He again told them under Inspiration the story of their ancestors in particular their journey in Paran desert and the Shari'a (Ten Commandment). He also reminded them the victory of their ancestors over their enemies (Hititites, caanites, Philistines, Amelikites) was only possible under a Prophet. His Shari'a was no less than the Ten Commandment, but this time with evidences, witness and the element of mercy, forgiveness and love. Muhammad had no Shari'a that if carefully scrutinized had no root from the OT and NT. His contact with the Children of Israel in Madina lasted for about 7 years. They knew more than Muhammad Rasulullah the meaning of Covenant and that it is not to be broken. When they broke the Covenant they had with him, they were exiled under the Law of Moses.
In the 9th of the Hijra those who called themslves Christians from Yaman, came to him in Madina asking about the nature of Propeht Isa (Jesus) AS. There and then Chapter 3: 26-64 was revealed. The conversation that took place was wll documented in Guillaumes Life of Muhamamd pps 179 and 270.
So, in short what we have today is a holy Qur'an (holy comparisson) not only Protacted, Confirmed and Approved by Allah but buy equally by all the Children of Israel  and those who called themselves Christians from 610-632 A.C. Why should one disagree and argue on what has been agreed upon by those actively present?
The question of Jesus and you and me becoming the sons of Allah has been disputed by Allah Himself. He said for example in Qur'an, 21:17, "Had We intended to take a pastime (i.e. a wife or a son), We could surely have taken it from Us, If We were going to do (that)".  And further down He reported to us those disputing about Him having a son. He says, "And they say: The Most Gracious (Allah) has begotten a son (or children)". Glory to Him! They( whom they call the children of Allah i.e. the angels, Jesus and Ezra) are but honoured servants. They speak not until He has spoken, and they act on His Command".  Absolving the Messiah form ignorance, Allah says in Qur'an 4:172, "The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave of Allah..."
The question of Jesus dying on the cross equally was addressed by Allah in the Qur'an. I am sure you have read the chapter. By the way where is the Gospel of Barnabas?
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The bible does teach that if someone was trying to shoot someone because they where a muslim, I as a christian should step in front of the bullet. 
 
Christian are not to be hostile to Muslims but loving. 
 
Although as far as theology is concerned there is a huge difference between Muslims and Christianity. 
 
Since you are catholic you probably don't see the difference. 
 
Muslim deny that Jesus is God.  Muslim claim Jesus was a prophet.  If Jesus was just a prophet we are all going to Hell, and then Muslims and christians would have that in common. 
 
Salvation is not based on works. Salvation only comes through Jesus Christ.  When you receive Jesus as your savior good works will follow, but good works don't make you a christian, or go to paradise. 
 
Eze 36:26  "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27  "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
 
The bible teaches that christians are new creatures:
 
2Corithians, 5:17  Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Muslim are just like every other religion, including catholics who beleive you are saved by works. 


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Abraham and Nimrod

 

            In the Koran, Abraham lived in a land ruled by King Nimrod.  In the story (Sura 21:58-69), Abraham destroys the idols of his people, and as a result, is thrown into a fire by Nimrod.  However, Nimrod (Sargon I?) was the great grandson of Noah and the founder of the cities of Babylon and Nineveh (Genesis 10:8-11), but Abraham was nine generations separated from Noah (Genesis 11:10-27) and came from Ur of the Chaldees.  How could Nimrod (a man who had been dead for many years) throw Abraham (a man who had not even been born yet) into a fire?!  Of course, the error stems from the fact that Muhammad got this story from a Jewish legend (i.e. Midrash Rabbah) rather than a revelation from God. 

 
Abraham and the Ka�bah

 

            According to the Koran, Abraham and his son Ishmael were the ones who built the Ka�bah in Mecca (Sura 2:127).  However, this contradicts all the history books known to man:

 

��there is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever in Mecca, and if there had been such a tradition it would have to be explained how all memory of the Old Semitic name Ishmael (which was not in its true Arabian form in Arabian inscriptions and written correctly with an initial consonant Y) came to be lost.  The form in the Quran is taken either from Greek or Syriac sources.�

-Alfred Guillaume, Islam (Baltimore: Penguin Books Inc., 1956), pp.61-62.

 

Also, common sense screams against it. Abraham used to live in the city of Ur of the Chaldees (South East Iraq), and he moved west toward Canaan, a land very plentiful in food, not south toward Mecca, a city in the middle of the desert.  Why would God promise to give Abraham�s posterity a land of abundant resources and then send him into a desert hell-hole where tribes would have to go to war every year just to fight over a well of water?!    

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Assalamu alaikum.

OneWay posting: I am well coming you to this forum and I hope your in depth knowledge of the scriptures will help in fulfilling the objective of this forum. It is important to note that much of what we read in other languages explaining what is revealed to Muhammad Rasulullah is not what is available in Arabic Texts that appeals to common sense and reasoning. Now there is the important issues of archaelogical findings and philosopy also. Note that:
1) Prophet Muhammad did not deal with genealogy of the prophets except th children of Abraham.
2) Prophet Muhammad did not tell his Sahabas those who threw Abraham into the fire pit.
3) Muhammad Rasulullah did not object or rejected what was confirmed by history if there were such records at that time confirming what was revealed to him.  It is best for the Children of Israel to say something on that subject matter. The followers of Muhammad are just required to listen and to repeat what they said whenever necessary.
4) The Quraysh who were descendant of Abraham did not disagree with Muhammad that the Ka'ba was not built by Abraham and his son Ishmael. They never disagreed with him on what Allah revealed to him about the Ka'ba. I think today we should not dispute on what the witnesses confirmed to us. I understood that the Bible restricted its story only to the Children of Isaac excluding the Children of Keturah and Ishmael. There are equally names of prophets mentioned in the Qur'an not available in the Bible.
5) My A. Guillaume was the 1987 edition. Please under which heading did he comment on your pp61-62.
6) A true believer in Muhammad is not supposed to descriminate between the Scriptures! That is for me the Bible is as important to me as the Qur'an for if you had followed our argument earlier, I stated that the Qur'an contains about 70% of what is in the OT and NT. The difference is only exemplified in your laqab (i.e your penname OneWay meaning in Qur'an Siratul Mustaqeem).
7) OneWay, please let us have with you certain guidelines to follow while discussing on world history. Do you have Reverend Matthews commentary on the whole Bible? Which other books do you have explaining the Bible? In Islam i.e. teaching of Muhammad we have authorities that we always refer to before one makes up his conclusion on an issue.
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A. Guillaume was the 1956 edition. I don't know the heading.
 
The bible does talk of Ishmael.

"Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the desert of Beersheba. When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes. Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot away, for she thought, �I cannot watch the boy die.� And as she sat there nearby, she began to sob. God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.' Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt." Genesis 21:13-21

"This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael, whom Sarah's maidservant, Hagar the Egyptian, bore to Abraham. These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. These were the sons of Ishmael, and these are the names of the twelve tribal rulers according to their settlements and camps. Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers." Genesis 25:12-18 In christianity to we have a great authority, The Holy Spirit. John 14:26  "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. In christianity there are no great men, there are only wicked sinful men used by a Great and Powerful God.  I do study many theologians and preachers in christianity.  Charles Spurgeon, George Muller, John Wesley, George Whitfiled, Paul Washer, John Piper.   It dosn't matter how intelligent or eloquent these men speak, if they contradict what the bible says they are false prophets.   You said "the Qur'an contains about 70% of what is in the OT and NT"   Both the old and new testament teach on the wickedness of men, Romen 3:23  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,          Isaiah 64:6  For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.                                                            The Koran teaches you can go to paradise by what you do, the bible teaches you cant do anything  to go to paradise.
 


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The Prophet Solomon's Temple - The Temple Of Judaism .
( 1 ) The temple is shaped like a cube ,
( 2 ) The high priest can only enter the Temple once a year on the day of atonement .
( 3 ) The Judahites believe that when you visit the temple your sins are forgiven .
( 4 ) The holiest place in the temple was covered with a veil ( Exodus 26;31-37 ) .
( 5 ) The temple of Judaism houses the Ark of the Covenant & the mercy seat ( Exo 26;33-34
( 6 ) Solomon the son of the Prophet David built the Temple of Judaism ( 2 sAM 7;12-13 , 1Kings 5;5, 8;20-21 ,
( 7 ) The building was built with gold hewn stones and cedar ( Exodus Chapter 26 ) .
( 8 ) The people of Judaism face the Holy Temple in prayer ( 1Kings 8;22 ) .
( 9 ) The Judahites made a pilgrimage to worship at the Temple .
( 10 ) Solomon's temples was destroyed and the rebuilt .
( 11 ) The Temple fell into the hands of Israelis , enemies of Islam today .
( 12 ) The Temple was rebuilt by Herod the Great who sought to buy the Judahites . He started in 19 B.C. and finished 18 years later .
( 13 ) Every day from the temple a chant could be heard .
( 14 ) The Judahites who worshipped at the Temple prostrated in prayer ( Daniel 2;46 )
( 15 ) After Herod built the temple he charged his people a high tax
 
 
The Prophet Muhammad's Temple - The Temple Of Islam .
( 1 ) The Ka'ba is shape like a cube
( 2 ) The Saudi Arabian King's family enter the Ka'ba once a year on Hajj for atonement .
( 3 ) Muslims believe that when you go on Hajj which is to visit the Ka'ba your sins are forgiven ( The Qur'an 2;158 )
( 4 ) The Ka'ba is veiled with a black drape called a Kiswa
( 5 )  The Ka'ba house the Black Stone .
( 6 ) The Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael built the Ka'ba ( The Quran 2;125 ) .
( 7 ) The Kiswa is woven and embroidered in gold and silver . It is made of 670 kilogram of pure silk and dyed black . The border is embroidered in gold - plated silver wire and emblazoned - with verse from the Koran .
( 8 ) Muslims face the direction of the Holy Temple where the Ka'ba sits ( The Qur'an 2;125 ).
( 9 ) Muslims go on a pilgrimage to worship at the Ka'ba .  
( 10 ) The Ka'ba was destroyed and then rebuilt .
( 11 ) The Ka'ba has fallen into the hands of the Wahhabis , the enemies of true Islam today .
( 12 ) The Wahhabis of Saudi are rebuilding Mecca and buying all Muslims .
( 13 ) Every day from the minaret of the Ka'ba a chant ( The Adhan ) can be heard .
( 14 ) Muslims prostrate in prayer ( The Quran 2;43 ) .
( 15 ) Saudi Arabian Charge pilgrim Hajj
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How can you discuss similarities  between christians and muslims when both are fundamentally different?
 
 
 Muslim deny Jesus is God.  If Jesus was not God, we are all going to Hell. Only God can pay for the sins of man.  This is christianity.  Without Jesus there wouldn't be christianity. 
        The simple fact is both christian and muslims can't be correct.  Either christians are correct and muslim are wrong, or muslims are right and christians are wrong.  You can't talk about similarities when both are fundamentally different.
 
(1Corinthians 15:1-4)  1.Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2. by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3.  For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4.  and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
 
(Galations 1:6-9) 
 
 6.I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7.  which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8.  But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9.  As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!


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