Greetings AhmadJoyia,

Thanks for your �googled� reply�

Since, my dear brother, your failure to provide reference to your translation of the verse 4:171 is clearly evident now. So, as far as I am concerned, your translation is lacking its authenticity and hence can't be used as valid way of translating Quran.

Setting aside your opinion�where are your references to thwart my position�?

So, if you are proposing any thing new, then don't waste our time here as we are not the linguistic scholars to evaluate and judge it here nor this forum is appropriate for this kind of job. Kindly refer your invention to appropriate journal for authenticating and only then referencing it to public.

So�yet another admission that you don�t comprehend the mother tongue that you are entrusting your eternal soul towards�

Your hypothesis "Your posts and links are riddled with the usage of Yusuf Ali, Pickthal, & Shakir" is totally wrong as I have shown it, repeatedly, from your own translation. Here is my initial post "

My dear bro Apple Pie, without arguing into your distorted translation of the verse, let us concentrate on the message in the verse, if we are sincere in considering it the truth from Allah.

First of all, even with your own distorted meaning, the message in this verse of Quran is clearly addressing the people of the book and more specifically to my Christian brothers i.e. you (I think). Hence, the opening sentence says "do not exceed the limits" and you very well know what limits you have exceeded; if not, the rest of the verse clarifies it to you.

Then, according to your translation "and do not say on Allah except the truth" . So what is it that you (the Christians)  say about Allah (God) other than the truth? Of course about His entity in Trinity. Isn't it? Let us proceed as what Allah (God) tell you about this concept in this verse. Here Allah (God) says from your own distorted translation "�wa� and do not say: "Three." Stop (it is) best for you,      but Allah (is) one Allah".

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So, my dear, one can't close the eyes to avoid the cat as truth can't be hidden.

Interesting how you just took your post out of context�.just before your �popular� English translations appeared.

Not to worry, here is the link again for others to verify for themselves�

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=238& PN=1&TPN=9

Now coming to another wonderful reference from another source discussing the same verse which supports the normative translations:

Interesting�.you have moved onto yet �another� �googled� source�as your first �googled� ones obviously did not pan-out�

Surah An-Nisaa 171

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O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of All�h aught but the truth. The Messiah ��s�, son of Maryam, was (no more than) a Messenger of All�h and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit (R�h) ^{1} created by Him; so believe in All�h and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For All�h is (the only) One Il�h (God), glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And All�h is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs. ^{2}

{1} (V.4: 171) R�h-ull�h: According to the early religious scholars from among the Companions of the Prophet ��� ���� ���� ���� and their students and the Mujtahid�n, there is a rule to distinguish between the two nouns in the genitive construction: a) When one of the two nouns is All�h, and the other is a person or a thing, e.g. All�h�s House (Bait-ull�h); All�h�s Messenger (Rasul-ull�h): All�h�s slave (�Abdull�h): All�h�s spirit (R�h-ull�h), the rule for the above words is that the second noun, e.g., house, messenger, slave, spirit is created by All�h and is honorable in His Sight, and similarly, All�h�s spirit may be understood as the spirit of All�h, in fact it is a soul created by All�h, i.e. ��s�. And it was His Word: "Be!" -and he was. (i.e. ��s� was created like Adam). b) But when one of the two is All�h and the second is neither a person nor a thing, then it is not a created thing but is a quality of All�h e.g. All�h�s Knowledge (�Ilm-ull�h); All�h�s Life (Hay�t-ull�h); All�h�s Statement (Kal�m-ull�h); All�h�s Self (Dhat-ull�h).

Source http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/word.htm

for complete discussion on the word "word" mentioned in this verse and elsewhere in Quran. I hope this shall be sufficient for now.

You have just referenced sbwus� website�.lol�..!

I have to ask: did you actually read the articles on his site before using them as a reference?

I doubt it�

Please�.put some effort into your replies�.

Thanks�

Greetings AhmadJoyia,

Thanks for your reply�

What a typical reply that can I expect from you? Laughing it away!! Keep laughing my brother, keep laughing it way. But keep this in mind that your inner concious would not be able to swallow it up so easily (if its still alive?).

Apparently�you are unaware of whom sbwus is�

Remind me to tell you someday�.

Now coming to your translation, here is the tranliteration of actual arabic text

171. Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

and shall see what have you presented in your translation and what have been omitted. So if we compare this with your translation it becomes obvious that your translation is full of intentional/unintentional mistakes. For concentrating on major mistakes and neglecting numerous mistakes of ifs and buts, here is the full comparison with your translation.

Finally�

At least you are attempting the Latin transliteration�

subhanahu

MISSING

If it is missing�then you should be able to tell us what is should be from your �googled� source�.right..?

 lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi

what (is) in the skies/space (Missing the translation of wama fee)

Again, if it is missing�then you should be able to tell us what is should be from your �googled� source�.right..?

The presence of such mistakes, both additions and omissions, that too, within the paragraph of few lines, I don't know what can be said about your intentions, if not deception? Instead of comparing it with the standard word to word translation provided as a source of normative translation, you simply buffed it away and rather relied on asking for the reference, though they are duly available on the links from the main webpage of the referenced site. A simple matter of few clicks away, only if someone is interested in the truth, probably you are not the one in those.

Ofcourse now your only tool to negate such falsification of the translation is through making such acts as "minor". But are they really "minor", though I have already taken away such "minor" errors such as word "only" translated as "but" etc, simply not to let you take the straw of "minor" errors. People on the forum shall judge themselves as how you changed the last but one sentence by omitting the translation of word of exclamation "Subahana" and wrote a simple sentence without it to appear to suit your deception. My dear is this the way you want to make people believe in you. I don't think so. Hence you have proved yourself as totally unworthy and unreliable. May Allah help all of us in recognizing and thus avoiding the temptations and deception of satan. Amin   

Should we laugh now�.or later�.?

The most amazing part of your �exegesis��is that you in no way, shape, or form, even once negated my position�.!

In fact, you confirmed it!

You cannot even �clarify� the so-called �errors� that you supposedly found.

Try again.

My dear bro Apple Pie (oops!! Saint Apple Pie), your deception is so obvious as a day light that anyone can now easily comprehend your tactics. Simply compare yours with mine (from the word-to-word translation reference) and you would find answer to all your lame excuses. Of course, what else can you do now??

You indeed, are no different crafty and cunning Saint than St. Paul. No difference! Not at all.

BTW, please do let me know if you feel this is too offensive for you to digest and then I shall provide you the Biblical reference where St. Paul  admitted himself to be "crafty" and thus using deceitful tactics. But I think its better for me to show you the evidence before you start accusing me. So here it is what he said about himself. Reference NASB:

Well my dear brother, I have simply equated you with your own St. Paul. Didn't you like this saint to saint (sts) relationship? Rather, should have been thankful to me than complaining about "We are pleased to see that you have let your replies become debased to name calling."

However, I do see you using typical "abu Gharib" tactics when it comes real hard on you to respond. But, honestly I am not at all surprised to read "Sister AhmadJoyia" since we are not in "abu gharib". Aren't we?