conversion to islam

Moses: interesting!! when they talk about the truth, they are talking about they thougts about the truth! and when they say come and follow my Deen, they are talking about their own leaders!

If you mean Muslims, I think what ALL true Muslims would say in the first place is to follow the prophet (sawa). If you admit that the prophets are selected and sent by God (not humans), then the existence of any more holy leader has to be proved through the Holy book and sayings of the prophet (not from the thoughts of people). If the Holy book talks about the existence of holy leaders (apart from the prophet) then they exist, regardless of people�s thoughts.

Akhe Abdullah wrote: I understand you fine word for word it's not your English believe me Ive heard it more broken you said "I don't feel I believe in Allah as my God "(What!)what you are saying is you dont believe in God,and you are learning Arabic.Oh! I forgot Prophet Isa (Alaihi Salam )is your god right..To answer your last question:If you obtain so-called knowlegde,REAL KNOWLEGDE of the deen of Al Islam (InshAllah)you would come to realize the Truth,plain and simple(InshAllah)and then if you choose to reject it thats all on you.I noticed you use the words I and my alot,It is Allah that gives you Knowledge and it is Allah that takes it away from you(WALLAHI!)Heres you answer to this question "why every muslim I know, think that if I study Islam I will turn into it sooner or later?" 17:107 - -     قُلْ آمِنُواْ بِهِ أَوْ لاَ تُؤْمِنُواْ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْعِلْمَ مِن قَبْلِهِ إِذَا يُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ يَخِرُّونَ لِلأَذْقَانِ سُجَّدًا (17:107)     Baset - Hussari - Minshawi Qul aminoo bihi aw la tuminoo inna allatheena ootoo alAAilma min qablihi itha yutla AAalayhim yakhirroona lilathqani sujjadan Topics discussed in this Verse: [Qur'an:belief in] # 17:107 (Y. Ali) Say: "Whether ye believe in it or not, it is true that those who were given knowledge beforehand, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration, Search For: 17:111 - -     وَقُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّهِ الَّذِي لَمْ يَتَّخِذْ وَلَدًا وَلَم يَكُن لَّهُ شَرِيكٌ فِي الْمُلْكِ وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلِيٌّ مِّنَ الذُّلَّ وَكَبِّرْهُ تَكْبِيرًا (17:111)     Baset - Hussari - Minshawi Waquli alhamdu lillahi allathee lam yattakhith waladan walam yakun lahu shareekun fee almulki walam yakun lahu waliyyun mina alththulli wakabbirhu takbeeran Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah:has no partner] [Allah:has no son] [Allah:magnify Him] [Allah:Praise be to Him] # 17:111 (Y. Ali) Say: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!" You Say "If I was Muslim, I would have knowledge, but as far as I am Christian, I am ignorant... Ok, thanks a lot for sharing!!Actually if (I) were you,I'd rather be ignorant than be in a state of Kuf

I want one thing to be clear: for you, as Muslims, every newborn baby is Muslim, and it's just because of the bad things of this society why he/she turns into other religion.

For me, as Christian, I was born a child, and my parents gave me the baptism hoping I was going to be Christian, but if I come to them telling that I feel another religion as my real religion, they would understand it, and they would NEVER REJECT ME. Why? Because for Christian, the knowledge comes not only from the Bible, from Jesus and from the priest and the Church, but from the rest of the people too. We accept to live inside a society, and we are part of it, respecting each other.

Why is such an insult for you if I tell you I don't believe in Allah as my God? It's easy to understand: I AM NOT MUSLIM, and I don't have any feeling taking me to Islam, I'm sorry. Not because I feel it as a bad thing, sure (if I did, I would not be here, I would not try to learn anything about Islam, even Arabic, and I would not go to the Mosque every week to help people!!!). I already have my believes, and the only thing I realise, is that you cannot understand/respect it. Well, I cannot do anything for you, and I thing that going on with this conversation is just to waste time.

You all are talking about the truth... well, for me, you are talking about YOUR TRUTH. The Islam is not the only way, and you have two options: to accept it and leave in peace, or to reject it and keep away from the rest of the world. God thanks, most of the Muslim I met are accepting it. It's your choice.

myahya wrote: when they talk about the truth, they are talking about they thougts about the truth! and when they say come and follow my Deen, they are talking about their own leaders! If you mean Muslims, I think what ALL true Muslims would say in the first place is to follow the prophet (sawa). If you admit that the prophets are selected and sent by God (not humans), then the existence of any more holy leader has to be proved through the Holy book and sayings of the prophet (not from the thoughts of people). If the Holy book talks about the existence of holy leaders (apart from the prophet) then they exist, regardless of people�s thoughts.

Hi,

Pati wrote: Akhe Abdullah wrote: I understand you fine word for word it's not your English believe me Ive heard it more broken you said "I don't feel I believe in Allah as my God "(What!)what you are saying is you dont believe in God,and you are learning Arabic.Oh! I forgot Prophet Isa (Alaihi Salam )is your god right..To answer your last question:If you obtain so-called knowlegde,REAL KNOWLEGDE of the deen of Al Islam (InshAllah)you would come to realize the Truth,plain and simple(InshAllah)and then if you choose to reject it thats all on you.I noticed you use the words I and my alot,It is Allah that gives you Knowledge and it is Allah that takes it away from you(WALLAHI!)Heres you answer to this question "why every muslim I know, think that if I study Islam I will turn into it sooner or later?" 17:107 - -     قُلْ آمِنُواْ بِهِ أَوْ لاَ تُؤْمِنُواْ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْعِلْمَ مِن قَبْلِهِ إِذَا يُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ يَخِرُّونَ لِلأَذْقَانِ سُجَّدًا (17:107)     Baset - Hussari - Minshawi Qul aminoo bihi aw la tuminoo inna allatheena ootoo alAAilma min qablihi itha yutla AAalayhim yakhirroona lilathqani sujjadan Topics discussed in this Verse: [Qur'an:belief in] # 17:107 (Y. Ali) Say: "Whether ye believe in it or not, it is true that those who were given knowledge beforehand, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration, Search For: 17:111 - -     وَقُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلّهِ الَّذِي لَمْ يَتَّخِذْ وَلَدًا وَلَم يَكُن لَّهُ شَرِيكٌ فِي الْمُلْكِ وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ وَلِيٌّ مِّنَ الذُّلَّ وَكَبِّرْهُ تَكْبِيرًا (17:111)     Baset - Hussari - Minshawi Waquli alhamdu lillahi allathee lam yattakhith waladan walam yakun lahu shareekun fee almulki walam yakun lahu waliyyun mina alththulli wakabbirhu takbeeran Topics discussed in this Verse: [Allah:has no partner] [Allah:has no son] [Allah:magnify Him] [Allah:Praise be to Him] # 17:111 (Y. Ali) Say: "Praise be to Allah, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!" You Say "If I was Muslim, I would have knowledge, but as far as I am Christian, I am ignorant... Ok, thanks a lot for sharing!!Actually if (I) were you,I'd rather be ignorant than be in a state of Kuf I want one thing to be clear: for you, as Muslims, every newborn baby is Muslim, and it's just because of the bad things of this society why he/she turns into other religion.For me, as Christian, I was born a child, and my parents gave me the baptism hoping I was going to be Christian, but if I come to them telling that I feel another religion as my real religion, they would understand it, and they would NEVER REJECT ME. Why? Because for Christian, the knowledge comes not only from the Bible, from Jesus and from the priest and the Church, but from the rest of the people too. We accept to live inside a society, and we are part of it, respecting each other.Why is such an insult for you if I tell you I don't believe in Allah as my God? It's easy to understand: I AM NOT MUSLIM, and I don't have any feeling taking me to Islam, I'm sorry. Not because I feel it as a bad thing, sure (if I did, I would not be here, I would not try to learn anything about Islam, even Arabic, and I would not go to the Mosque every week to help people!!!). I already have my believes, and the only thing I realise, is that you cannot understand/respect it. Well, I cannot do anything for you, and I thing that going on with this conversation is just to waste time.You all are talking about the truth... well, for me, you are talking about YOUR TRUTH. The Islam is not the only way, and you have two options: to accept it and leave in peace, or to reject it and keep away from the rest of the world. God thanks, most of the Muslim I met are accepting it. It's your choice.

Salams,Pati remember how this conversation started,you saying:You have a deep knowlegde of Islam and Qur'an and then turn around and say ""I don't feel I believe in Allah as my God " wich indicates your lack of knowledge,lets try and stick to the script ok .I never said every newborn baby is a Muslim I said:,"We were all born in a state of Al Islam" (page one) there is a difference try and stay focused.You not being Muslim is not an insult to me but, you claiming knowledge about Islam that you really dont have is a concern of mine.But then again thats why youre here ayway to learn, right?Pati the first Surah AL Fatihah: what did you learn about it? you say: "Islam is not the only way" Al Fatihah verse 1:6&1:7 Ihdinaals sirata al mustaqeema,Sirata allatheena anamta Alayhim ghayril maghdoobi Alayhim wala dalleena.In this two ayat we are asking Allah (God)to show us the straight way The way of those on whom hast earn thy favor and not the way of those whom hast earned thy anger nor of those who go astray.(Ameen)So Islam may not be the only way but it is a way that is straight.

Edited by Akhe Abdullah - 08 September 2009 at 8:54am