conversion to islam

Moses

If the messengers are better than me, it�s because God gave them something that did not give to me as well, not because of the difference in humanity.

I did not claim that it is because of difference in humanity.

they are not who that help us, they are as weak as others, but God make them full of power from himself.

In verses 17:56 � 2:107 and 197, that use the Arabic word �Men Doonehi� a misunderstanding has been occurred. �Men Doonehi� does not mean �anything that is not God� it means �anything that is not from God�s side�. The prophets are from God�s side. The prophets are not �Men Doone Allah� they are �Men Ghebale Allah� (sent by Allah and from His side and confirmed and helped by Him).

But about the verse 110, we do not worship the prophet nor do we consider any participation for the prophet or anything else when we worship. This does not have anything to do with following the prophet which is God�s command.

Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. (144)

Means following the messenger, if is different from following the Lord, will be up to the death of that messenger! Yes?! The reason is here

This verse (144) is exactly one of the reasons proving that following the prophet should not be ended by his death. Allah warns people to avoid forgetting everything and coming back to the ignorance after the death of the prophet.

On the other hand you want follow someone who does not know anything about the invisible world and cannot does anything even for himself?!! And you want him do something for you?!! Up to you , but he say himself something else : 7-188

Unfortunately this verse is also misunderstood. Here the prophet says and emphasizes that he has nothing (like knowledge of the Unseen) except what Allah gives to him. It is true. Nobody and no created being would have anything originally from themselves. If the prophets show any kind of miracles, it is what God gives them (and by His permission) rather than what they can generate from themselves without God.  The proof on the knowledge of unseen is here, please read the following verses carefully and do not judge too fast when you read one verse of Quran:

Quran (72:26-27)

The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any. Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard from angels to march before him and after him

Quran (3:44)

This is of the announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you And you were not with them when they cast their pens) to decide (which of them should have Marium in his charge, and you were not with them when they contended one with another

bannest that which Allah had made lawful

He did not ban it for people. He did it in his private life while he had personal freedom to decide (not disobeying God). Meanwhile, this also shows that every single behavior of the prophet even in his personal life is guaranteed confirmed or changed by God's will.

seeking to please of human , not please of God

First, seeking to please a human does not necessarily contradict pleasing God. Second, as soon as it was revealed to the prophet that God does not will such a ban the prophet broke it as he was the most submitted to God. Nothing negative about the prophet can be proved from these verses.

But let me tell you one thing that can be proved from these verses. If you pay attention to the rest of this story in Quran the verses again prove that the prophet had the knowledge of Unseen.

Quran (66:3)

And when the prophet secretly communicated a piece of information to one of his wives, but when she informed others of it, and Allah made him to know it, he made known part of it and avoided part So when he informed her of it, she said: Who informed you of this? He said: The Knowing, the Aware, informed me.                

Then lets don`t look at him just like a supper human that was cleansed from the first (!!!)

He was cleansed from the first. And this fact makes him not a supper human but the best and the most complete example in his behavior to others and submission to God. 

originaly by myahya: Moses If the messengers are better than me, it�s because God gave them something that did not give to me as well, not because of the difference in humanity. I did not claim that it is because of difference in humanity.

Then you would know that God can give you something better for yourself. Because Quran says :( 16-2)

 يُنَزِّلُ الْمَلآئِكَةَ بِالْرُّوحِ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ عَلَى مَن يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ أَنْ أَنذِرُواْ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ أَنَاْ فَاتَّقُونِ ﴿۲﴾

he sends down the angels with the Spirit by his command to those of his worshipers whom he wishes, (saying:) 'warn, there is no god except me, therefore fear me. '

What is better than this good news? He says he can do it and he will do it if he wishes himself. Means for revealing the angels by the Holy Spirit for each worshiper of God, there is only one thing needed: God`s will. If you believe in God, it`s enough , you don`t need to believe in yourself!

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ لَوْلاَ يُكَلِّمُنَا اللّهُ أَوْ تَأْتِينَا آيَةٌ كَذَلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِم مِّثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ تَشَابَهَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ قَدْ بَيَّنَّا الآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يُوقِنُونَ ﴿۱۱۸﴾

and those who have no knowledge say: why doth not allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. their hearts are all alike. we have made clear the revelations (by spiritual talking=BAEIANA) for people who are sure.(2-118)

Again as you see he is capable to talk in their hearts to everybody who is sure

they are not who that help us, they are as weak as others, but God make them full of power from himself. In verses 17:56 � 2:107 and 197, that use the Arabic word �Men Doonehi� a misunderstanding has been occurred. �Men Doonehi� does not mean �anything that is not God� it means �anything that is not from God�s side�. The prophets are from God�s side. The prophets are not �Men Doone Allah� they are �Men Ghebale Allah� (sent by Allah and from His side and confirmed and helped by Him).

All of us should be aware of changing the meanings of words in translation of Quran.

Meaning of words are not �understanding�(mine or popular!) from a word. The first condition for use of Quran is to be faitful to the words . then let`s see what is the meaning of word:

Now, please put your suggestion meaning for the word مِن دُونِ   and then you will see yourself!  Do you need more examples?!  If it`s not clear , it�s easy to explain more.

But about the verse 110, we do not worship the prophet nor do we consider any participation for the prophet or anything else when we worship. This does not have anything to do with following the prophet which is God�s command.

Considering the first and the last words of this verse, reveal for us that there where something and Quran does not say anything without special reason, isn`t it?!

At the first: say I am just a human like you �and �at the last is the reason: �don`t worship someone beside your God �, obviously there are people who do this and the message is for them, hopefully you are not among them.

Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. (144) Means following the messenger, if is different from following the Lord, will be up to the death of that messenger! Yes?! The reason is here This verse (144) is exactly one of the reasons proving that following the prophet should not be ended by his death. Allah warns people to avoid forgetting everything and coming back to the ignorance after the death of the prophet.

Don`t need any arguing about the message of this verse, I confirm the message by another verses which explain that for us for free! See:(2-108&109)

أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللّهَ لَهُ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَمَا لَكُم مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلاَ نَصِيرٍ ﴿۱۰۷﴾أَمْ تُرِيدُونَ أَن تَسْأَلُواْ رَسُولَكُمْ كَمَا سُئِلَ مُوسَى مِن قَبْلُ وَمَن يَتَبَدَّلِ الْكُفْرَ بِالإِيمَانِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاء السَّبِيلِ ﴿۱۰۸﴾

do you not know that it is to allah that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belong, and that there is none, other than him, to protect or help you! would you rather demand of your messenger that which was once demanded of moses! he who exchanges belief for disbelief has surely strayed from the right path.

And the verse 144 says: Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful. (144)

It`s clear completely. These verses are telling one message to us, what is this message?

Unfortunately this verse is also misunderstood. Here the prophet says and emphasizes that he has nothing (like knowledge of the Unseen) except what Allah gives to him. It is true. Nobody and no created being would have anything originally from themselves. If the prophets show any kind of miracles, it is what God gives them (and by His permission) rather than what they can generate from themselves without God.  The proof on the knowledge of unseen is here, please read the following verses carefully and do not judge too fast when you read one verse of Quran:

Very good , that sounds we are agree in this point, I said �he� means a human , cannot lead anybody even himself toward the heaven, but �his message� is different !

Quran (72:26-27)   The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any. Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard from angels to march before him and after him

Yes , all right, then let`s look through the previous verses as well:

 Beautiful!! Isn`t it?!! Who can make himself such a humble in compare and in presence of his God?!! Look it again: 'indeed, i possess no power over you, either for harm or for guidance. ' (۲۱), can you hear his voice?!! Muhammad is telling us as if he is here yet! And this is only because the words are not from human. Do you know �.He is talking to you as well! This is the messenger of God and is talking to everybody who loves God and respects his messengers.

Then if God reveal something to his messengers, they have the duty of recording faithfully and send them to some of determined people (not all of people any more).

As you see in these verses, God does not say that you cannot tell something to special people from God, does he?! Then messages can be sent to everybody which God had chosen, only secrets for special people which he chose them himself, for special target, which is sort of fighting with Satan.

Quran (3:44) this is from the news of the unseen. we reveal it to you (prophet muhammad). you were not present when they cast their quills to see which of them should look after mary, nor were you present when they were disputing. Or: This is of the announcements relating to the unseen which We reveal to you And you were not with them when they cast their pens) to decide (which of them should have Marium in his charge, and you were not with them when they contended one with another

In this verse Quran tell us that Muhammad has the knowledge of unseen world?!! Or this is talking about one, or some , special news which God is telling him?

Is this that you say making him different from other believers?!!

In some previous verses you can see that he told us �I possess no power over you, either for harm or for guidance. How many times he should tell us that he cannot be our guidance then you take of your hand from him?!!!! Keep the robe of God not his messenger, ok?!

When somebody says: �'I supplicate only to my lord and I do not associate any with him� when he is in the mosque of God (in previous verses of this chapter) , I promise to you he definitely has not never talk about himself during his pray(just like you do it )!

And in the last day, may the first protest to you, would be Muhammad himself! Because you know the verse 18 and 20 of chapter 72 of Quran , and you continue to worship him during your daily pray , during your whispers with God, during your daily activities, when call someone for help in your heart, and during all of your times in mosques and call him as your hero, and after all of these , you say you are not worshiping him!!!!

bannest that which Allah had made lawful   He did not ban it for people�.

And God did not protest to him because he bans something for people!! Quran says: why you change the commandment of God (for yourself not the others!) look delicately, Muhammad changes something without permission of God, and only for seeking the pleasant of his wives.

This is a sort of confess of Muhammad, and you don`t let him to do this?!!!

He did it in his private life while he had personal freedom to decide (not disobeying God).

To decide changing the law?!!!! Even for him?!and what you call this if it�s not disobeying God?!!!

seeking to please of human , not please of God First, seeking to please a human does not necessarily contradict pleasing God.

Then you say God was pleased with him in these verses?!! Then why he ask his prophet if he is pleased?!!!

Second, as soon as it was revealed to the prophet that God does not will such a ban the prophet broke it as he was the most submitted to God. Nothing negative about the prophet can be proved from these verses.

Yes, and this is his repenting from his sin and God accepted and cleansed him again for his mission.  Thanks for explanation, realy good job.