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Noah
Senior Member Joined: 25 June 2005 Status: Offline Points: 199 |
Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:35am | ||
Above: Samples of the ancient symbol of the winged-Sun flying.." Where every eye can see it" See Hebrew Old Testament...Malachi 4:2, also see Christian New Testament...Mathew 23:37, & Luke 13:34 26. As far back as we can go into the ancient world, we find that all known cultures had a "Three-in-one" Triune God. The very first trinity was simply the three stages of the life of the Sun. A) New Born Savior at dawn. B) Mature, full-grown (The Most High) at 12 (High) noon. C) Old and dying, at the end of day (going back to The Father). All three were of course One Divinity - The Sun three different phases, but one God! The Trinity is truly a mystery...Like electricity, radio, TV, and jumbo-jets are all a mystery to the un-enlightened mind! 27. The Egyptians knew that the Sun was at its highest point in the sky (at high noon). At that point, one offered prayers to the "Most High" God! To the ancients, the sky was the abode, or heavenly temple, of the "Most High". Therefore, God's 'Sun' was doing His heavenly Father's work of enlightening all in the temple at 12 ...not 12 years old, but 12 noon! Above: God's Sun/Son trying to bring enlightenment to the dark minds of the religious leaders. 28. The world of ancient man kept track of times and seasons by the movement of the Sun daily, monthly, and yearly. For this, the sundial and sun calendars were devised. Not only the daily movement of the Sun was tracked on the round dial, but also the whole year was charted on a round Sun calendar dial. Examples: Ancient Mexican, Mayan, Inca, Aztec, Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Egyptian, Celtic, Aryan, etc. With this method, certain new concepts emerged in the mind of ancient man. 29. Since the Earth experienced 4 different seasons, all the same and equal (in time) each year, the round Sun calendar was divided into 4 equal parts. This is also why we have, in the Bible, only 4 Gospels. Of this point, there can be no doubt. The 4 Gospels represent the four 4 seasons which collectively tell the entire story of the life of God's 'Sun'. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John are Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter. This is why the famous painting of "The Last Supper" pictures the 12 followers of the Sun in four groups (of three) ... the seasons! Above: God Son/Sun with his 12 faitfhul monthly followers 30. On the round surface of the yearly calendar, you can draw a straight line directly across the middle, cutting the circle in half... one end being the point of the winter solstice; the other end being the point of the summer solstice. Then you can draw another straight line (crossing the first one); one end of the new line being the spring equinox; the other end being the autumn equinox. You now have the starting points for each of the 4 seasons. This is referred to by all major encyclopedias and reference works, both ancient and modern, as "The Cross of the Zodiac". Thus, the life of God's 'Sun' is on "the Cross". This is why we see the round circle of the Sun on the crosses of Christian churches. The next time you pass a Christian church, look for the circle (God's Sun) on the cross. The Sun, since the first day of summer, has each day been moving southward, and stops when it reaches its lowest point in the Northern Hemispheric sky (December 22nd - our winter solstice). At this lowest point, the Sun stops its journey southward. For three days, December 22nd, 23rd , and 24th, the Sun rises on the exact same latitudinal (declination) degree. This is the only time in the year that the Sun actually stops its movement Northward or Southward in our sky. On the morning of December 25th the Sun moves one degree northward beginning its annual journey back to us in the Northern Hemisphere, ultimately bringing our spring. Anything steadily moving all year long that suddenly stops moving for three days was considered to have died. Therefore, God's Sun who was dead for three days, moves one-degree Northward on December 25th beginning its annual journey back to the Northern Hemisphere. The Sun is symbolically ....BORN AGAIN. And to this day, His worshippers still celebrate His BIRTHDAY!.... Merry Christmas. 31. Today we use expressions when someone dies. We say things like, "They Passed", or "They Passed On", or "They Passed Away". The ancients said "They Passed Over" (from one life to another), And so it was with the coming of spring, as God's Sun is "Resurrected" from the Death of Winter to His New Life (in spring). In the ancient world, long before the Hebrews ever existed, the celebration of spring was called "The Pass Over", The Sun, which was dead in winter, has passed over to His new life in spring. This is the origin of the modern Pass Over celebration. This is why Christians also celebrate "The Resurrection", or His return, in spring with a "Sun Rise service"... He kept His Promise, and has returned to us with the Promise of New Life... "HAPPY EASTER-PASSOVER!" |
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Noah
Senior Member Joined: 25 June 2005 Status: Offline Points: 199 |
Posted: 29 July 2005 at 5:36am | ||
And if you think this is far fetched. Lets look at some images and old diety's shall we?
Ancient Aztec priest with crown of thorns The rays of the Sun are symbolized by the 'Crown of Thorns' Crown of thorns The Sun/Son on the cross. These symbols can be seen on churches around the world. How many sons where on the cross and where are they from? Is this Jesus? No, it's the aztec saviour Is this Jesus? No it's Orpheus Is this Jesus? No it's Ixion Ahhhh...There is Jesus! No it's the druids HESUS! The Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales of other deities recorded, such as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God," most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were crucified or executed. * Adad of Assyria * Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece * Alcides of Thebes * Attis of Phrygia * Baal of Phoenicia * Bali of Afghanistan * Beddru of Japan * Buddha of India * Crite of Chaldea * Deva Tat of Siam * Hesus of the Druids * Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character * Indra of Tibet/India * Jao of Nepal * Krishna of India * Mikado of the Sintoos * Mithra of Persia * Odin of the Scandinavians * Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece * Quetzalcoatl of Mexico * Salivahana of Bermuda * Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move, later turned into the disciple Thomas) * Thor of the Gauls * Universal Monarch of the Sibyls * Xamolxis of Thrace * Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia * Zoar of the Bonzes BUDDHA * Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the "Queen of Heaven." * He was of royal descent. * He crushed a serpent's head. * He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a "small basket of cakes," and walked on water. * He abolished idolatry, was a "sower of the word," and preached "the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness." * He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. * He was transfigured on a mount. * Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected. * He ascended to Nirvana or "heaven." * Buddha was considered the "Good Shepherd", the "Carpenter", the "Infinite and Everlasting." * He was called the "Savior of the World" and the "Light of the World." HORUS OF EGYPT * Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. * He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old. * Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist." * He had 12 disciples. * He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead. * He walked on water. * Horus was transfigured on the Mount. * He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected. * He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc. * He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys"). * Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." * Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story. MITHRA OF PERSIA * Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th. * He was considered a great traveling teacher and master. * He had 12 companions or disciples. * He performed miracles. * He was buried in a tomb. * After three days he rose again. * His resurrection was celebrated every year. * Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd." * He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah." * He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb. * His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ. * Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected. * His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper." KRISHNA * Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One") * His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.thousands of infants. * He was of royal descent. * He was baptized in the River Ganges. * He worked miracles and wonders. * He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind. * Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love. * "He lived poor and he loved the poor." * He was transfigured in front of his disciples. * In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves. * He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. * Krishna is called the "Shepherd God" and "Lord of lords," and was considered "the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word." * He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the "Resurrection" and the "way to the Father." * He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," ("Alpha and Omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. * His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence." * Krishna is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who will desolate the earth. PROMETHEUS OF GREECE * Prometheus descended from heaven as God incarnate as man, to save mankind. * He was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead. * He was called the Logos or Word. Now please Apple pie, understand that you have nothing to sell to us, nomatter how much you try to twist and distort the meaning and understanding of OUR scripture. You should worry about your own first and foremost it seems. Hows it to be saved by Horus the SUN? :lol: (need sun lotion?) Peace Noah |
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Apple Pie
Guest Group Joined: 21 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 138 |
Posted: 29 July 2005 at 7:46pm | ||
Greetings Deus, Thanks for your reply� 41.03: ������� ��������� �������� �������� ���������� �������� ����������� Kitabun fussilat ayatuhu qur-anan AAarabiyyan liqawmin yaAAlamoona This is more Biblical �alkitabu� material� Please tell us how this negates anything in sura 86�.? Thanks.. |
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Apple Pie
Guest Group Joined: 21 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 138 |
Posted: 01 August 2005 at 6:21pm | ||
All, Who can refute that sura 86 is about:
Thanks... |
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Deus
Senior Member Joined: 13 July 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 134 |
Posted: 01 August 2005 at 7:33pm | ||
Apple Pie, your arguments have thus far held no credibility and no one seems to slightly agree with you. Your conclusions have been illogical and your facts seem very far-fetched and false. The fallacy in your arguments is known as �begging the question� (petitio principii) because you draw your conclusions from your premises (i.e. Jesus = God, Jesus was crucified, etc.) which are sadly very fictitious (read Noah�s posts above for sound proof, feel free to refute.) On a lighter note, I�d like to bring your attention to the Apocalypse of Peter. An excerpt: When [Jesus] had said those things, I (Peter) saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said "What do I see, O Lord? That it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?" The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me." Now, why shouldn�t I believe in this version of the tale of Jesus� end? |
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Apple Pie
Guest Group Joined: 21 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 138 |
Posted: 01 August 2005 at 7:43pm | ||
Greetings Deus, Thanks for adding your comments� Apple Pie, your arguments have thus far held no credibility and no one seems to slightly agree with you. Please come forth with specific portions of sura 86 that are bothering to you� Your conclusions have been illogical and your facts seem very far-fetched and false. Again�.which part(s) of sura 86 do you specifically disagree with�.? The fallacy in your arguments is known as �begging the question� (petitio principii) because you draw your conclusions from your premises (i.e. Jesus = God, Jesus was crucified, etc.) which are sadly very fictitious Are you saying that the Koran is a fictitious work�? (read Noah�s posts above for sound proof, feel free to refute.) Noah�s posts are nothing but plagiarized webpaste propaganda; completely without references whatsoever� Thanks for you concern, however� Come back if you want to share you concern over sura 86�. Thanks� |
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Noah
Senior Member Joined: 25 June 2005 Status: Offline Points: 199 |
Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:26pm | ||
this ofcourse, you can prove. Start by explaining the likeness between your make believe god and horus. what is up with that? or how about with the druids hesus? Im eargerly awaiting an answer Peace Noah |
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Apple Pie
Guest Group Joined: 21 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 138 |
Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:09pm | ||
Greetings Noah, Thanks for taking the time to read our posts�
Of course� You plagiarized your post from here� http://jordanmaxwell.com/articles/astromain1a.html Start by explaining the likeness between your make believe god and horus. what is up with that? or how about with the druids hesus? You can start by explaining why you thought that you needed to plagiarize the �work� of others� Perhaps in an attempt to cover over your own deficiencies�?
We eagerly await your apology for your blatant plagiarism. Secondly�please tell us of the �author�s� references�.as he also conveniently forgot to show them at his website� Thanks� |
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