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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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More about the Jinn from various Muslim sources: (Excerpts taken from Muttaqun.com, blue font is mine)
Book - "The World of the Jinn and Devils", p. 7 Ibn Abdul Barr said, "The jinn, according to the scholars of the language, are of different types:
However we understand that the shaitan among the jinn antagonize humans, not that they are kind beings who accidentally mess up on occasion. Those who seek aid (such as asking for favors or making request) from the jinni will find deception and a twisted type of aid that doesn't really meet the requestor's original request, but that satisfies the shaytaanic (satanic/evil) jinn's desire for evil. Narration - Reported by al-Tahhaawi in Mushkil al-Athaar, 4/95, and by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 22/214 Abu Tha�labah al-Khushani said: �The Messenger of Allaah said: �The jinn are of three types: a types that has wings, and they fly through the air; a type that looks like snakes and dogs; and a type that stops for a rest then resumes its journey.� [Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Mishkaat (2/1206, no. 4148): al-Tahhaawi and Abu�l-Shaykh reported it with a saheeh (saheeh = authentic) isnaad] The Origin of the Jinn
He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery. And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hijr 15:26-42 26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. 27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire. 28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. 29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." 30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. 31. Except Ibl�s (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators. 32. (All�h) said: "O Ibl�s (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?" 33. [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." 34. (All�h) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Raj�m (an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafs�r At-Tabar�] 35. "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)." 36. [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected." 37. All�h said: "Then, verily, you are of those reprieved, 38. "Till the Day of the time appointed." 39. [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. 40. "Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them." 41. (All�h) said: "This is the Way which will lead straight to Me." 42. "Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Gh�w�n (Mushrik�n and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.). Solomon's Experience with the Jinn
The Noble Qur'an - Saad
38:35-39 36. So, We subjected to him the wind, it blew gently to his order whithersoever he willed, 37. And also the Shay�tin (devils) from the jinns (including) every kind of builder and diver, 38. And also others bound in fetters. 39. [Saying of All�h to Sulaim�n (Solomon)]: "This is Our gift, so spend you or withhold, no account will be asked."
The Noble Qur'an - Saba' 34:12-14 12. And to Solomon (We subjected) the wind, its morning (stride from sunrise till midnoon) was a month's (journey), and its afternoon (stride from the midday decline of the sun to sunset) was a month's (journey i.e. in one day he could travel two months' journey). And We caused a fount of (molten) brass to flow for him, and there were jinns that worked in front of him, by the Leave of his Lord, and whosoever of them turned aside from Our Command, We shall cause him to taste of the torment of the blazing Fire. 13. They worked for him what he desired, (making) high rooms, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places). "Work you, O family of D�wud (David), with thanks!" But few of My slaves are grateful. 14. Then when We decreed death for him [Sulaim�n (Solomon)], nothing informed them (jinns) of his death except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick, so when he fell down, the jinns saw clearly that if they had known the unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment.
17. And there were gathered before Sulaim�n (Solomon) his hosts of jinns and men, and birds, and they all were set in battle order (marching forwards). 18. Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: "O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulaim�n (Solomon) and his hosts crush you, while they perceive not." 19. So he [Sulaim�n (Solomon)] smiled, amused at her speech[] and said: "My Lord! Inspire and bestow upon me the power and ability that I may be grateful for Your Favours which You have bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may do righteous good deeds that will please You, and admit me by Your Mercy among Your righteous slaves." Every human has a partner Jinn
Distancing Oneself
Hadith (Hadith= sayings of Prophet Muhammad)- Ahmad, an-Nasa'i, Dawud, al-Hakim
and al-Baihaqi More About the Jinn
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4:533, Narrated Jabi bin 'Abdullah The Prophet said, "Cover your utensils and tie your water skins, and close your doors and keep your children close to you at night, as the Jinns spread out at such time and snatch things away. When you go to bed, put out your lights, for the mischief-doer (i.e. the rat) may drag away the wick of the candle and burn the dwellers of the house." Ata said, "The devils." (instead of the Jinns).
Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, Narrated
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
Hadith - Al-Muwatta
54.33
Hadith - Muwatta, 49.21
Hadith - Tirmidhi #350
The Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan
55:56 Hadith - Abu Dawood 1046, Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib Ali said on the pulpit in the mosque of Kufah: When Friday comes, the devils go to the markets with their flags, and involve people in their needs and prevent them from the Friday prayer. ...
The Noble Qur'an - As-Saaffaat
37:158
The Noble Qur'an - Huud
11:119
The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:130,
131 This is because your Lord would not destroy the (populations of) towns for their wrong�doing (i.e. associating others in worship along with All�h) while their people were unaware (so the Messengers were sent).
The Noble Qur'an - Al-A'raaf
7:179
Fortune-tellers/Soothsayers
Muslim Jinn
Allah's Messenger came out to his companions and recited Surah ar-Rahman (55) from the beginning to the end, but they remained silent. Thereupon he said: I recited this before the Jinn on the night of Jinn, and their response was better than that of yours. When I came to these words: `Then which of the favours of your Lord do you deny?' They said: Our Lord, there is nothing that we deny of Thy favour; to Thee is praise due.
Shaytaan (a.k.a Iblis; one of the most famous jinn)
The Noble Qur'an - Faatir
35:6
The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zukhruf
43:62
The Noble Qur'an - Az-Zukhruf
43:62
The jinn's who Whisper/Deceive
1. Say: "I seek refuge with (All�h) the Lord of mankind, 2. "The King of mankind, 3. "The Il�h (God) of mankind, 4. "From the evil of the whisperer (devil who whispers evil in the hearts of men) who withdraws (from his whispering in one's heart after one remembers All�h), 5. "Who whispers in the breasts of mankind, 6. "Of jinns and men."
The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam
6:128
The Noble Qur'an - Al-'Anaam
6:112
The Noble Qur'an - An-Nahl
16:99-100 His power is only over those who obey and follow him (Satan), and those who join partners with Him (All�h) [i.e. those who are Mushrik�n - polytheists - see Verse 6:121].
The Noble Qur'an - Ibrahiim
14:22
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Israa'
17:61-65 [Ibl�s (Satan)] said: "See? This one whom You have honoured above me, if You give me respite (keep me alive) to the Day of Resurrection, I will surely seize and mislead his offspring (by sending them astray) all but a few!" (All�h) said: "Go, and whosoever of them follows you, surely! Hell will be the recompense of you (all) an ample recompense. "And Istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for All�h's disobedience), make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways usury, etc., or by committing illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit. "Verily! My slaves (i.e the true believers of Isl�mic Monotheism), you have no authority over them. And All-Sufficient is your Lord as a Guardian." Supplication for one afflicted by whisperings in prayer or recitation...
Hadith - Sahih Muslim 5463, Narrated
Uthman ibn Abul'As, r.a. * this is a dry spit in the air
Seeking refuge IN the Jinn
7. 'And they thought as you thought, that All�h will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinns).
101. He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything. 102. Such is All�h, your Lord! L� il�ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone), and He is the Wak�l (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam
6:128
Seeking Refuge FROM the Evil Jinn
The Noble Qur'an - Fussilat
41:36
Verily, those who are Al-Muttaq�n (the pious - see V.2:2), when an evil thought comes to them from Shait�n (Satan), they remember (All�h), and (indeed) they then see (aright).
The Noble Qur'an - An-Nahl
16:98
Hadith - Al-Muwatta 51.10
Audhu bi wajhi'llahi' l-karim wa bi kalimati'llahi't-tammati. Allati la yujawazu hunna barra wa la fajir, min sharri ma yanzil min as-sama, wa sharri ma yaruju fiha, wa sham ma dhara' fi'l-ard, wa sharri ma yakhruju minha, wa min fitani'l-layli wa'n-nahar, wa min tawariqi'l-layli wa'n-nahar illa tariqan yatruq bikhayr ya Rahman!
Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi 358, Narrated Ali
ibn Abu Talib [Bismillahi] Allahumma inna 'audhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa'ith. [By the Name of Allah]. Oh Allah, I seek protection in You from unclean spirits, male and female. [Abu Dawud 4/264, Ahmad 2/389]
Ibn Taimiya, Majmu, vol. 19, p. 55
Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi 1019, Narrated Abu
Sa'id al-Khudri
Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi 4563, Narrated Abu
Sa'id al-Khudri
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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TheGuy
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Ok. Thank you for that compilation. Is that all the Qur'an, or also other texts, if other also which are they?
Some of it seems contradictory, an example being where it says all the angels should bow, except Iblis doesn't which contextually assumes he is an angel. Ok, but then he's NOT an angel? Which is it? Is he both an angel AND a Djinn? Reading all of that just leads to more questions, and I'm not sure I can ever find a straight answer, so I will attempt to contact this Djinn nightly before sleep and if I find a realistic summoning ritual like the one in The Greater Key of Solomon, I may try it. I don't sense anything evil afoot, so I assume the Djinn attempting to communicate with me is a "believer" or at least not evil/a shaitan. I wish there was more information on this. Maybe Allah himself can share something on this topic. What is the best way to communicate with him as this Muhammad did? Thanks for the thorough post. Edited by TheGuy - 09 January 2010 at 12:39am |
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The above post contains both Qur'anic verses as well as Hadith (Prophet Muhammad's sayings). It is mentioned along with the texts. (if its a hadith, it says so . . . verse numbers denote Qur'an verses). Both are considered reliable & authentic by us Muslims.
Iblis was not an angel, he was a Jinn. According to a summary of various sources - he used to be very obedient to Allah, and was thus allowed access the heavens where the Angels resided. He used to be a leader of the Jinn. However, because of his apparent "worship" & "obedience" he fooled himself into thinking he was better than others and couldn't go wrong. He also prided himself over his creation out of fire and "superiority" over all others. (his vice was arrogance & superiority). So when Adam was created, and Allah gave him a status higher than that of all other creations, he refused to submit. You cannot have a two-way conversation with Allah . . . The way we communicate with Allah, is simply to pray to Him, confess/talk/vent - with the faith/belief that He will accept our prayers & set things right. We don't expect an "Answer". We cannot receive revelations from Allah, the way Prophet Muhammad or other messengers did. One way to seek help from Allah is through a prayer called "Istikhara". There is a format for that - and its pretty short. However the centre of all ibadah (worship) in Islam is "belief/faith" in Allah & the purity of intention. Without this, the prayer is pretty much useless. Can provide details later if you wish. |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Chrysalis, ok, thanks for all your help in this endeavor. But, I think I've gone as far as I can from the Muslim end, there seems to be a limit in place as to how much information is available to Muslims. And, some of the information is contradictory or not clear, so I need to find another source besides the Quran. Also, I think that's a BS excuse to say you can't have a two way conversation with a being that you believe exists, either he does or doesn't and if he does then you can talk to him. And, if someone else has in the past, then there's no reason to not be able to now. You may limit yourself and have a false belief placed in you by others saying you can't do this or that, but I do not, so I will attempt also to communicate with Allah along with the Djinn.
Again, I thank all of you for your time, and for discussing this with me. It has been enlightening, and I think the path is now clear that I must travel, and I think I have enough information to make contact with these beings. |
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Guy,
I understand your quest to know the "Djinn". I am sure if it was in our interest to know them, God would have mentioned it and provided us with needed information other than what God has already told us. There are things that Quran makes clear such as Only One Creator, God Almighty, who is not born, who does not have off spring and that its Only God our Creator that we should rightfully worship. Have you grasped those things that are made clear and repeated over and over in different ways so we can have a good sense of them? I don't see anywhere in the Quran that God will hold one responsible for not communicating with Djinns? But He will hold us responsible for misdirected worship or wrong acts. So, from a Muslim's point of view, the issue you raise is of no importance as there are many other issues that will be enough to occupy a believer's life. As I said if it was of any importance to us, God would have let us known of that. Only what most of us have already mentioned from the Quran is all we can say. I don't mean to discourage you from what you think or do of Djinns, but only show what I as a Muslim think of it. Hasan Edited by honeto - 11 January 2010 at 5:46pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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If bears are of no importance to you, because you live in the desert and there are none, but they are natural creatures and made by God..
Then, if you need to learn about bears, or as in my case a bear wanders into your life.. Then, wouldn't it be wise to learn about bears? Didn't the original man have knowledge of all of creation? If not, how did he name all the animals, and etc.? I'm just not buying the weak arguments that God doesn't want man to know about Djinn.. Edited by TheGuy - 11 January 2010 at 6:35pm |
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If God has said, bear is haram for you to eat because it does not have divided hooves. For me that's the end of it. I will not look into it more, not because I am closing my view on it, but because to me that is enough to stop me from eating bear meat. God's command for me means serious business. Also because God has clearly stated that the things made clear to you, don't complicate them.
And of course I am not stopping you to what you do, I am only telling you what a Muslim answer is to your question. And as a fellow human I am suppose to pass that knowledge to others, you. So I can no longer be held accountable for why I did not tell you the truth. What you do with it is your part to answer in front of the maker! Hasan Edited by honeto - 15 January 2010 at 7:28pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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