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All�h talks about the unbelievers in the depths of the Fire saying, "On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire, they will say, 'Would that we had obeyed All�h and that we had obeyed the Messenger.' " (33:66) They will wish they had obeyed when the wish will not profit them.

What do we mean by obeying messenger as mentioned in the above ayah ?
 
All�h also says, "You have a good model in the Messenger of All�h for one who hopes for All�h and the Last Day."
 
How shud i take Messenger of Allah as my model in my daily life ? {Explain to me thru ayaat
 

"If you quarrel over something, then refer it back to All�h and His Messenger," (4:58)

How shud one refer back to messenger, as commanded at the ayah above ?
 
I wish you to answer all my questions, of all the posts posted today.
 
 
 
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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I am not progressing any further forward in regards to this thread.

The Qur'an is perfect..they are words from God passed through Muhammed(pbuh)

The hadiths are Muhammeds words only aren;t they? Or did the words for hadiths come by way of God?

Muhammed (pbuh) had a great mind and many opinions, but as haris has mentioned way back this does not mean we have to revere Muhammed. It sounds so similar to the Catholics with the Virgin Mary here :( I just can;t get my head around this at all.

some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Peace,
"Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed Allah. If anyone turns away" - Surah Nisa 89.
 
 
I see that the basic problem here is the difference in understanding that we have about obeying the messenger.Now ur belief is that if you follow the hadiths which were reported by a third party(credible ones according to you which i perfectly respect)you follow Prophet Muhammad.My understanding however is that if i follow the Quran which i believe is the best hadith from GOD and which came out of the Prophet's mouth,i follow the messenger.Now this is my understanding which you are free to reject.Since both of us believe in the Quran, I had given number of verses from the Quran supporting my understanding.More explanation about this was given in my earlier post which i again request you to go through.
 
What do you say about this ayah - �O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named.� - What are these exceptions made ?
id like a verse number too please so that i can study it Inshallah.
 
Whoever the first person is to taste and get tested if that meat of tiger is good for his health, will he not get into haraam if its later proved to be harmful for health. Like wise, does one need to eat every animal and make a test !!!
 
 God does not hold you accountable for anything that is not done intentionally,delibrately or maliciously.God is most merciful,All knowing, forgiver.All praise be to him alone :).
Suppose by having fish, one's health  gets affected, shud he state it as haraam for all or oneself ? If that individual considers it as haraam for himself, then every muslim is to likewise make a test of every animal to be eaten !! Meanwhile, if its hurts his health {in your words}, then he tasted haraam !! What a theory of you people ! Confused
 
There mayve been people who have done exactly that in the past.And it seems like some of them are still going on prohibiting things which GOD never did.The only one who can prohibit anything is GOD.No one else is authorized but GOD.When God says "Lawful and good" he means "good" in a general sense.Fish is generally considered as good food with lots of nutrients Mashallah but for some fish can cause allergies that doesnt mean they are haraam.What is haraam has been clearly mentioned in the Quran.Anything more than that i believe are innovations.
     
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Regarding Hajj.. i will give inshallah more details very soon.However,i again wish to repeat that we learn from the Quran that all religious rituals of Islam were given to Prophet Ibrahim.This has been given down to generations exactly as it was.The corruptions that had crept into those practices has been clearly pointed out by the Quran.So minus those corruptions the perfect rituals were existant and are still existant even today.And this is exactly y they are not detailed in the Quran.When God says "eat",does anyone ask what "eat" means?how does a person eat?Where are the details of "eat"?Explanation and details are only required when something new is revealed.When God says something,we just hear,we obey and we believe,that is IF we are true believers.So when he says that the Quran is complete and fully detailed, IT JUST IS.NO IFS NO BUTS.God does not run out of words.GOD does not contradict himself. All glory to Him ALONE! :).

Ps:The above is my understanding from the study of the Quran ,you are free to reject or accept.There is no compulsion in religion.No info is to be accepted without verification :).
 
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Ahh Martha, you get into the crux of the whole thing.   Smile
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Originally posted by haris30432 haris30432 wrote:

Yes, there are many verses in the Qur�an that are of general nature and that are self-explanatory. For example, don�t lie etc. Then there are the verses that have a context, and that need to be explained further. Others require procedural explanation. 
 
Well i dont know if this is the right place and ur free to move it if its not. Can u please explain the below verse for a start.And then God willing i will post some more so that you can help me learn the real meaning behind them.
 

[25:30] The messenger* said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."


OMG I thought you were smarter than that bro!
It is so simple if one reads the section from #21...it is even pretty clear for illiterate person like me! This is about the people who would abandon Islam after finding the light  being in the company of the worldly friends...If you want the  particular case then you go to the sunnah commentators and find in this case it was about "Uqba" The conversation is between Allah and the Prophet(s)
Got to run..be back


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Originally posted by martha martha wrote:


I am not progressing any further forward in regards to this thread.
I can see why!

The Qur'an is perfect..they are words from God passed through Muhammed(pbuh)
OK ! then Islam is a way of life not just listening of words those passed through Mhmd(s) It covers the whole gamut from cradle to grave and hereafter; the relationships and functioning of home and state and contracts...The Quran provides the constitution and science of sunnah comes up with the case law...that is where rubber hits the road meaning after the witnessing how to conduct oneself in new Islamic society...The problem has risen in the nueva riche in  places like ME they want no case law and want to interpret things on their own!  I hope this will sufice for now!
The hadiths are Muhammeds words only aren;t they? Or did the words for hadiths come by way of God?
It is a mix bag, need to double check!
Muhammed (pbuh) had a great mind and many opinions, but as haris has mentioned way back this does not mean we have to revere Muhammed.
What do you mean by revering? IMHO the problem with haris types is that they forget all the respect and power came to Arabs  cuz of Mhmd(s), When they became negligent of ways of Mhmd(s) they became despised! Any wonder with all the petro dollars they can't handle Israel cuz they are enslaved as neo colonies! Of course some are living high on the hog but have no say about their own future...They building the Tower of Babel when there is much ignorance and poverty in the Muslim lands...Without the love of the prophet(s) in heart no one can taste the faith in it's true dimensions...A member of clergy has Rev. infront of his name but haris is talking about no reverence about Mhmd(s)...Ouch This reminds me of the colonial times talk, o well... 
 It sounds so similar to the Catholics with the Virgin Mary here :( I just can;t get my head around this at all.
Wrong comparison...What prophet(s) went through to make the delivery and establishment of Islam seems missing from you and haris ... I think you need to start a good book on seerah and before you ge to the end every quandary will find its clue...OK C ya


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Originally posted by martha martha wrote:



The hadiths are Muhammeds words only aren;t they? Or did the words for hadiths come by way of God?

 
Assalamu Alalikum,
 

The Qur�an contains only Allah�s words as transmitted through the angel Gabriel to the final Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him). Sunnah or hadith are the words, explanations, and the practices of the final Messenger (peace be upon him), inspired by Allah.  

Is every action of the Messenger Hadith? No, the Messenger had his personal opinions and advice he offered as an ordinary person does not come under Hadith.

Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
Qur'an 55:13
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