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Hayfa
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Chrysalis,
Yes there are slaves in the world, it comes in different forms. Check this out: http://www.freetheslaves.net/Page.aspx?pid=375 I have read alot on the subject and it is truly, truly sad. Is it "officially" sanctioned by any govt? No. But over 27 million people are enslaved. |
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haris30432
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Dear Doug, I am sorry, I still don't get it. So sex with women is allowed even if you aren't married if their husbands are fighting against muslims? Every source, including islamic website, I have looked at interprets "right hand" as slaves... is this not correct?
Im not sure i fully understood your question.And may be i wasnt very clear to you either :D.
Like i ve already said in my previous post,the verses have nothing to do with casual sex.As i understand,believers were hesitating to marry woman who fled from their disbelieving husbands and joined the believers.God made it clear to them that they are allowed to" marry " them as they had become believers and did not belong to the disbelievers .This may also apply to the slave women.Since theyve fled from the disbelieving masters and joined the believers,Muslims were allowed to "marry" them giving them their due dowries without permission from the masters(permission from the masters was required other wise).
Surah 60,verse 10 clearly speaks about those who sought "Asylum" with Muslims.So by "right hand possess" its clear that it is talking about those who had fled from the disbelievers and sought asylum with muslims and this can be anyone slave or free.GOD does not advocate evil and vice.So any interpretation of the verses should only be done taking that into consideration.God only permits marriage not "casual sex" with slaves or asylum seekers.No where in the Quran can u see GOD permitting such an evil act.Be he Glorified.Subhanallah!
Peace!
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drdoug
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Another thing...
why are critics of islam so violently oppressed. Why cant muslims discuss things. I watched this clip on a lady called Wafa Sultan... and the cleric debating with her acted like such a moron... you could tell he had never had an actual debate before... and then I found at that she has to live in hiding because of this st**id thing. How can islam ever grow with the world if anyone who holds different than the majority of people end up being threatened with violence. This clip lead to a bunch of other research.. and to be honest it makes me feel that islam cannot be true. I agree with the tenet of worshiping one God, but if something in the religion makes large masses of people uneducated and violent against opposing view points... thats just not a plus. Look at the jews.. they don't kill people every time they disagree with them... in fact no one is a bigger critic of jews than jews... I just don't get this. I really was feeling islam could be true but if converting to islam makes you like that then I don't see why God would want that from me. |
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drdoug
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Thanks for reply. If that is the case then that is very reasonable... I dont get it though. So you are allowed 4 wifes and sex with women who are leaving their husbands because they are fighting against muslims...
so can you ever have a relationship with more than 4 women in any way shape or form? I dont understand why the wording is like that Thanks, Doug |
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Sign*Reader
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I was asked to help edify few misunderstandings posed in your quandaries about Islam and it's Prophet (saw). Edited by Sign*Reader - 12 May 2010 at 6:55pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader
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I am afraid it was waste of time of the forum members valuable time and you were just trolling...No one knows for sure! So Wafa is your ideal, some choice! Wafa Sultan�s Lies Refuted I challenge you to read this before coming back! http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/open.htm Edited by Nausheen - 12 May 2010 at 7:15pm |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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drdoug
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Thanks for answering.
I am not a troll. I watched her video. I dont agree with all she said, it sounded like one sided, people do the same rants against other stuff (vegetarians, fundy christians, etc) but what bothers me and what bothers me more the more I researched it is that people who actively disagree with islam get a bounty on their heads. Like this recent south park episode that caused fatwas and death threats. That van gogh guy was killed because of art. I find your opinions of the jews extraordinarily revealing. I didn't realize they all worshiped money, especially my old roommate who takes one month out of the year doing drs without borders. Jews are like anyone else, some are good and some are bad. I am trying to find a religion. I wasn't really raised with one, and I want my kids to have one. I find it obvious that my questions are not appreciated. I apologize for wasting your time. I wont post on this forum again. I don't know if islam is true or not. Thats for God to decide. However, I do know that conversion to islam appears to cause me to have to act against my conscience in some ways. I dont think God wants me to act against my conscience, so if I choose not to become muslim for those reasons I can stand before him and he will understand. I do think that Islamic civilization has the potential to be great, but I find muslims I talk to to be very reactionary about certain things. Do you really think that all muslim countries have problems because of the west? Thats just mindless rhetoric that gets you nowhere fast. Its easy to make excuses, its harder to rebuild your society after defeat. I hope islamic society does rebuild. I hope it flourishes the way it used to, but I think it will have to become open minded again. Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer me. Sincerely, Dr. Doug Edited by Nausheen - 12 May 2010 at 5:49pm |
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Nausheen
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Hello Dr. Doug
I hope you read this, as am not sure - your above note appears resignatory.
Anyway, it seems you have received quite a few open-minded and welcoming responses on this string. However not all were as open as you may have expected.
Just like your own statement about the Jews (which I agree with), muslims are of all types. Some are adherent, others are peripherally practicing etc. In same way, some are open minded to discussion while others are sensetive.
After a long time I saw a non-muslim asking genuine questions, and I wished the responses had been 100% non-critical about the questioner. Unfortunately and regretably this was not the case. There is nothing to apologize here, as you certainly did not waste others time. If your time however was wasted, I apologize, and pray that you find true faith for yourself and your generation to come.
If at all you care to continue discussion on this forum, I would request you to please ignore the inappropriateness of some users, if responses from others are helpful.
thank you.
nausheen
Edited by Nausheen - 12 May 2010 at 6:49pm |
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