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Pati
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Hi,
I saw posts like this one, talking about "the contradictions of the Bible" lot of times, and I respect them.
But after time, I realize that the "contradictions of the Bible searchers" are not reading the Bible, but just taking the information. That's a big mistake, in my opinion.
As believers, we should accept and respect the Holy Books of each religion, and whenever we have a doubt coming from any of the Books, just look for the answer asking to the people who may know this answer.
To read the Bible just looking for mistakes or contradicitions is for me a time losing, and against all God Commandements. And at the same time, if any Christian is reading the Quran just to talk in bad way about it, is against God wish.
We really don't respect each other, when instead of increasing our knowledge just keep fighting and defending our "truth" as the best and the only one. There is nothing absolutely true but the existance of only one God.
Regards
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No God wants the killing, but the peace.
The weapons are carried by people, not by religions. |
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Mansoor_ali
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God's words contain contradiction?Absolutely not but if yes then it is not word of God.
It is your misunderstanding.Quran doesnot contain such kind of contradiction.
How we are deceiving ourself?explain please?
There are some similarities between Quran and Bible and i agree.Because both are from same God. But Bible of today is not real Bible of Jesus Christ. We only believe in those parts of Bible which agree with Quran. Muhammad in mentioned in Bible as a Prophet so you must follow him. Visit:Isaiah prophecises Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Prophet Muhammad was foretold by the name in the Old Scriptures! |
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Larry
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How are you deceiving yourself? Because you claim that the Bible has errors but state that the Qur'an is perfect and anyone who has read the Qur'an knows that there are contradictions within it, especially the many statements regarding the beliefs and practices of the "People of the Book." But just because you say there are no contradictions in the Qur'an doesn't make it so. You act as if everyone should accept the Qur'an without question. But in Islam it is forbidden to question the Qur'an under any circumstances.
"But Bible of today is not real Bible of Jesus Christ." I don't know where you came up with this idea, perhaps you can explain what you mean. Muhammad is mentioned in Bible as a Prophet so you must follow him." If you are saying that Muhammad is specifically mentioned in the Bible then you must have a Bible that I have never heard of, Muhammad is never mentioned or named in the Bible. If Muslims want to distort the Bible to fit their theology that is their thing. Perhaps you can quote the passages in the Bible that mention the Prophet Muhammad? |
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JOUBERAR
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What parts of the bible agree with the Quran come please show me.
If you think this was a prophecy than you and all the professors must go and ask your money back and read this properly and don't make any accusations of any prophecy.
Isa 21:6 For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Go, set a watchman: let him declare what he seeth: As you can read you will every horse camel and asses is more then and was when the Jews was at war this is a so called prophecy of your false prophet.
Isa 21:7 and when he seeth a troop, horsemen in pairs, a troop of asses, a troop of camels, he shall hearken diligently with much heed.Isa 21:8 And he cried as a lion: O Lord, I stand continually upon the watch-tower in the day-time, and am set in my ward whole nights;Isa 21:9 and, behold, here cometh a troop of men, horsemen in pairs. And he answered and said, Fallen, fallen is Babylon; and all the graven images of her gods are broken unto the ground.Isa 21:10 O thou my threshing, and the grain of my floor! that which I have heard from Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel, have I declared unto you.Isa 21:11 The burden of Dumah. One calleth unto me out of Seir, Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night?Isa 21:12 The watchman said, The morning cometh, and also the night: if ye will inquire, inquire ye: turn ye, come. The "lost people of Israel" are the people of Afghanistan and Kashmir today what a laugh muslims will bend over backwards to forge and force thier false believes in the bible with thir so called prophecies of Muhammad.
Muhammad was predicted to come in the Gospel of John: Just a quick note, the Arabic word "Muhammad" is an expression which means "The honorable one" or "The glorified one" or "The admirable". Prophet Muhammad was the first in the Middle East to be named "Muhammad". Below, you will see how Jesus in today's Gospel of John had called this human Prophet which he predicted his comming "The honorable one". Jesus in the Greek Bible used the Greek word "Periklytos" which means the admirable or glorified one. He called that predicted human prophet "Periklytos". This word corresponds exactly to the Arabic word "Muhammad" which also means the "admired one" or "glorified one." In other words, "Periklytos" is "Muhammad" in Greek. Let us start... In the Bible we can find the following four passages wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) predicts a great event: John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me" John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you." In these four verses, the word "comforter" is translated from the word "Paraclete" ("Ho Parakletos" in Greek). Parakletos in Greek is interpreted as "an advocate", one who pleads the cause of another, one who councils or advises another from deep concern for the other's welfare (Beacon Bible commentary volume VII, p.168). In these verses we are told that once Jesus (peace be upon him) departs, a Paraclete will come. He will glorify Jesus (peace be upon him), and he will guide mankind into all truth. This "Paraclete" is identified in John 14:26 as the Holy Ghost. It must be pointed out that the original Greek manuscripts speak of a "Holy pneuma." The word pneuma {pnyoo'-mah} is the Greek root word for "spirit." There is no separate word for "Ghost" in the Greek manuscripts, of which there are claimed to be over 24,000 today. The translators of the King James Version of the Bible translate this word as "Ghost" to convey their own personal understanding of the text. However, a more accurate translation is "Holy Spirit." More faithful and recent translations of the Bible, such as the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), do indeed now translate it as "Holy Spirit." This is significant, and will be expounded upon shortly. All Bibles in existence today are compiled from "ancient manuscripts," the most ancient of which being those of the fourth century C.E. Any scholar of the Bible will tell us that no two ancient manuscripts are exactly identical. All Bibles in our possession today are the result of extensive cutting and pasting from these various manuscripts with no single one being the definitive reference. What the translators of the Bible have done when presented with such discrepancies is to do their best to choose the correct version. In other words, since they can not know which "ancient manuscript" is the correct one, they must do a little detective work on the text in order to decide which "version" of a given verse to accept. John 14:26 is just such an example of such selection techniques. John 14:26 is the only verse of the Bible which associates the Parakletos with the Holy Spirit. But if we were to go back to the "ancient manuscripts" themselves, we would find that they are not all in agreement that the "Parakletos" is the Holy Spirit. For instance, in the famous the Codex Syriacus, written around the fifth century C.E., and discovered in 1812 on Mount Sinai by Mrs.Agnes S. Lewis (and Mrs. Bensley), the text of 14:26 reads; "Paraclete, the Spirit"; and not "Paraclete, the Holy Spirit.". Look how the muslims are using the scripture that they are slandering with corruption and evil is now good enough for a false prophecie There had been many cases of deliberate modification of the Biblical text by members of the Christian clergy themselves, as well as deliberate large scale projects to "correct" the Bible, and the writings of "the early fathers," (such as the deliberate insertion of the verse of 1 John 5:7 which is now universally discarded) It is, therefore, possible that either: 1) The word "Holy" could have been dropped by a careless copyist., or 2) Someone could have inserted the word "Holy" to convey his personal understanding of the text. Which was it? In order to arrive at the answer we must follow the same path of detective work the Biblical scholars themselves do. We must study the characteristics of the "Paraclete" and compare them to both the "Holy Spirit" and to a "Spirit." Muslims believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the one intended and not the Holy Ghost. In the Christian's own "Gospel of Barnabas" Muhammad is mentioned by name here. The Trinitarian church, however, has done its utmost to obliterate all existing copies of "The Gospel of Barnabas," and to hide it from the masses or to label it a forgery (see chapter 7). For this reason, it becomes necessary to show that even the Gospels adopted by Paul's church also originally spoke of Muhammad (peace be upon him). How could it be if Muhammad didn't even know the exact place in the the where his so called prophecies was, he and his so called angel should have known in which texts in the bible his prophcies must have originated but nowadays The muslims try thier utmost best to find a so called prophecy or a look like prohecy in the bible JUST to restore thier false prophet's name.
The power of this indwelling "paraclete" gives us the ability to "live by the Spirit so that we will not gratify the desires of the sinful flesh" and "Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit (Galatians 5:16, 25). We, then, can have the "fruit of the Spirit" produced in our own lives (Galatians 5:22, 23) to the glory of God the Father. What a blessing to have the Holy Spirit in our lives as our "paraclete," our Comforter, our Encourager, our Counselor, and our Advocate. Thank you, Father, for your wonderful gift!
As you can read this is the spirit of God the holy spirit and not the unholy false prophet Muhammad.
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Mansoor_ali
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Show me where is contradiction?
Where you read that it is forbidden to question the Quran?
You also agree with me that Bible contains contradiction.So my question is how God's words contain contradiction?We agree with those parts of Bible which donot contradict with Quran.For muslims Quran and Sunna is standard. Now how i came up with this idea?Do you know many authors of Bible are unknown so how can i believe that your Bible is written by real disciples of Jesus Christ?Even you have no any original documents.Even christian community is not agreed on same type of Bible e.g Protestant and Catholic donot have common Bible.This is not a case with Sunni and Shia.Quran is same for every sect of Islam but it is not a case with Bible.
There are many debates over this issue.But let's suppose Muhammad is not mentioned then its mean he is not Prophet?No because for muslims Quran and Sunna is standard not Bible. But there are some passages where it is indication for Muhammad. For excample:John 14:16,John 15:26,John 16:7-14 etc |
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Mansoor_ali
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For example: Qur'an 17:23 Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him . . . Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Qur'an 17:33 Nor take life which Allah has made sacred . . . Exodus 20:13 You shall not kill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Qur'an 17:32 Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Exodus 20:14 You shall not commit Adultery ------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are many but those are enough.
Shabir Ally beautifully mentioned this point whether it is spirit or Holy spirit in his debate. Click here Muhammed In The Bible? Shabir Ally vs Anis Shorrosh |
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JOUBERAR
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Where did the bible agree with Quran it never ever agreed with Quran because it was writen long before Muhammad apeared in the lime light and the QURAN disagree with the bible cos it mentioned that the bible was corrupted, I do not want fracments of his self imposed laws that he never obeyed.
Mathew 24 make it very clear that Muhammad was a deceiver of mankind.
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,a]'>[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. The Comforter:Muslims claim that the Bible has been corrupted. One of their chief arguments refers to the Greek rendering for Comforter "paracletos" which means "advocate" or "helper". Their scholars translate this "paraclytos" and use this to point to Mohammed. The Muslims see Jesus' reference to the coming of the Comforter or helper (the paraclete) as fulfilled by Mohammed. They base this on quaran 61:6 where Mohammed is reckoned to be ahmad ("paraclytos"), "Jesus, the son of Mary, said 0 children of Israel! I am the apostle of God ... giving glad tidings of an apostle to come after me whose name shall be ahmad." In conclusion:The fact that Mohammed said that Jesus was a prophet is a very strong argument that can be used by Christians in their dialogue with Muslims. Just ask the question, "Is Jesus a prophet?" The answer will be "Mohammed said he was." "Can a true prophet lie? Muslims will answer in the negative. |
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Larry
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Blah Blah Blah......I haven't got the slightest idea of what all that psychobabble is about but I think you have too much time on your hands and too limited a mind to ber able to express yourself clearly. BTW, were you ever abducted by aliens?
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