Couple of questions

: you claim its pretty rude
--- Politeness always brings people to ignore topics that should be otherwise discussed freely. My firm believe is that you can be frank and civilized without showing excessive politeness. Don't hold your reins, please speak up your mind freely.

TO HAYFA:

: Of course Muslims would choose this over others
----- It was a first clear-cut answer. Thank you.

:You have to really understand Shariah
---- I spoke with a lot of people, read a lot of books and to my chagrin was not able to find a clear-cut compilation of Sharia laws on the net. One piece here, a couple there, a couple of comments from famous interpreters, and so on. If you can point me to the source on the internet that lists sharia laws as 'one-stop reference' that would be much appreciated.

:Yes you can loose your hand. Guess what, they have a lot less theft where this law is enforced.
----- We really differ on that point. I want to 'get there' using completely different means.

As to the rest, I understand where your mindset is. Thank you.

A couple of questions about your background:
How old are you?
Are you male/female?
How long you've been living in canada? (or maybe you were born here) In the case you weren't born in canada, which country you've arrived from?
I understand those questions may be considered to personal. I'd understand your reluctance to answer, but I simply treat others they way I don't mind be treated myself. I would answer those questions with no problem.

elijah-boy wrote: SEMAR: :If you can not find a real case, that prove there is no Islamic law that not good for the betterment of humanity. --- I disagree with that. Why you making me an expert on the muslim matters? (which I'm not). I'm doing exactly the opposite: a. I consider you a person familiar with both - Sharia and Canadian civil/criminal laws b. I consider you a person who is able of making a choice between 2 system of believes in the case of conflict between 2 systems c. I ask you to formulate the result of that comparison.

Elijah . . .

If a Muslim lives in a non-Muslim country like Canada, where they are a minority - there is no sin upon them if they follow the law of the land. Semar explained that nicely.

Muslims have been obligated to behave as peaceful citizens of whatever land they live in,  obey their ruler , follow the laws of the land. Unless they are forced to do something by the laws/ruler that goes against their religious beliefs or fundamentally against the principles of Islam. If that happens - then their duty is not to go & revolt and create issues, but find a peaceful solution. If the government still does not listen to them or make allowances - then they should weigh their priorities and MIGRATE someplace which will allow them to live their life according to Islamic Injunctions.


If the Muslim community is big enough, then they should follow the legal procedures and try convince the government to consider their demands & concerns. There is no harm in that. After all, they are contributing, tax-paying citizens of the land.

So if Canadian Muslims or British Muslims ask the government to allow their religious law to apply to them - they have a democratic/legal right to do so. Non-Muslims needn't freak out like they are freaking out now. Those laws DON'T apply to non-Muslims. YOUR life will not be effected. Same in America - if the resident Muslim community is big enough, and is growing - then they have a right to have their concerns be addressed by the government , possibly have amendments made in laws to accommodate their beliefs.

Shariah Laws DON'T apply to non-muslims - unless a non-muslim wishes to be judged under Shariah Law. EVEN under a Muslim Government , the non-muslim minority is NOT supposed to be judged under Shariah, they have the right to be judged under their own religious law or civil law. So all non-muslims can just relax please. . . . seriously !

All the things you mentioned as being part of Shariah are mostly misconceptions, Genital Mutilation is not part of the Shariah Law. The Thief example is true. . . but when you know only half the story, you are bound to be misled.

Did you know that the punishment of stealing is not as simple as chopping off a hand? Under Shariah, the judge is supposed to look into the circumstances of the Thief. If the thief was a poor man, who had to steal to provide basics for his family, he will not be given this punishment !!! Only a thief who stole with the intention of greed is punished. In today's time this would mean all the big corporate thieves who steal from the public and their shareholders - knowing full well that with the money they have they can hire the best of the lawyers, spend a few years in jail - and enjoy the rest of their lives in luxury. Whilst leaving thier poor victims under mortgage, loans and poverty.

As for Rape . . . the punishment FOR the rapist under Shariah is death !!! Which is a very serious punishment . . . . a person is about to lose their life. Naturally the investigation process / proof/ evidence needs to be strong enough if we are condemning a person to death. You cannot just take one person's word and condemn the "alleged criminal" without solid evidence. I am not too sure about the details in Shariah regarding the investigation process in Rapes . . . so will not comment further. Many scholars are now considering modern investigative techniques such as DNA tests etc, so there are bound to be differing opinions.