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Rehmat 
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 Posted: 30 March 2005 at 3:03am |
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Think this way - Jews and Christians are jealous that we may get 72 virgins, but none for them. Wa Salaam |
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Posted: 31 March 2005 at 5:39am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum >>>There are several Haddiths which mentions division of Ummah into 72 or so, sects.<<< Yes but it seems your understaning of the term sect in islam is not correct. It does not mean any group in the muslims ummah, it is rediculous to say every muslim group is a sect. Sunni islam is not a sect in Islam , The mahdhabs which consist of roughly 90% of all sunni muslims can not be called a sect no matter how much "spin" you put on the term. The scholars of islam have all followed a madhhab even those the salafi's follow so unless you are not sunni i dont see from what angle you are making this point. >>>The word "Madhab" has different meanings in different
languages - for example in Persian and Urdu, it means
'religion'.<<< That is not relavent. Do you know what a madhhab is? >>>The 'four' are not 'madhabs', but "Schools of Fiqah
(Jurisdiction)" - the fifth being "Fiqah-e-Ja'afariah".<<< There is no such thing as a Ja'fariah madhhab from sunni point of view, Obviously you are shia then br? >>>As I posted earlier - Sufi could belong to Shi'ite or Sunni
denomination of Islam. Historically, it were the Sufi Safvid dynasty,
which converted Sunni majority into a minority in Iran, over a few
centuries ago.<<< Sufi's can be shia or sunni that is true, but a person can only
understand how if he knows what Sufism/Tassawuf is. If you understand
that then you know that calling sufis a sect is like saying anyone who
practised Usul al fiqh belongs to a sect which is rediculous. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Rehmat
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Posted: 31 March 2005 at 8:53am |
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Hmmmmmm! That's your word against me. Who is going to decide?
Wrong again. As I wrote earlier, Sunnis (if Salafis and Wahabbi allows you to count - Hannafi, Maliki, Sufis, Nakshbandis, Deobandis, etc. as Sunnis then they constitute 85% of Muslims out of 1.5 billion, according to Saudi 'World Muslim League'! And I am not even excluding the 25 million Qadianis either!
Which scholars, dear? Does your list also includes Imam Ja'afar Sadiq (ra), who happened to be teacher of Imam Abu Hannifa (ra) and Imam Malik (ra)? As for 'my angle' is concerned - it goes straight to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), who never called himself a Sunni - or did he?
No, the 'Learned one' - but can you teach me?
I give a hoot what your point of view is - because I never live in 'self-denial'. As I noted above - both Maliki and Hannafi 'Fiqah' are influenced by 'Fiqah-e-Ja'afari'. Thanks for avoiding to call me a 'Kafir'! Because, just being a 'Muslim' never satisfy the sectarians.
I could post a Salafi website to show how misinformed you're about sects - But then it would be just like advertising an Israeli website. Any comments on that? Wa Salaam. |
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rehman ir rahim, Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah wa barkatuhu, Brother Rami, I remember reading a detailed description of the 73 sects in Islam from "Al Ghuniya liTalibi Tariq'al Haqq"... it was made online by sunnah.org. I cannot find it thru their search anymore, but it answers manythings that you would want to say on this topic. I am not so sure if i posted on the old forum, but surely if you do a thorough search, you should be able to find it. Maa salaama,
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Posted: 31 March 2005 at 11:33am |
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Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh, We are going got discuss the issue at the weekend,till to that time i suggest from you staying in calm and not loosing the peace tune....think about that...all of the users in the thread are caring to islam and doing their bests;no bad person inside of us...evil loves these issues to destroy the peace between the muslims as we have seen in the past...let's give all our hands to each other finding the truth;at least understanding each other;politeness is the door of understanding to each other..we are all loving Allah and caring to Qur'an;no chance to evil and Qur'an is not an chaos book...let's meet at the weekend,everybody will be relaxed and cool then we will deeply discuss....i call everyone to discuss,to put their efforts after a dua to Allah for the finding the best in with all good intentions and concerns inside the science of shariat... Edited by Suleyman |
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I have a question. I have heard some Muslims call other Muslims kafirun, even after reading Ayat 4:94
I have also seen people who display the images of others being called idolotors. I don't agree with this. However, I have seen images of Prophets being sold even in Mecca, and I am against that. Could someone please speak to this issue? |
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Posted: 31 March 2005 at 12:38pm |
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Es_Selam'un Aleykum ve Rahmetullahi ve Berakatuh, Blond,i did not put these pics as reflecting them the idols of mine;no they aren't...i love and respect them;but my only idol is Allah...two complaints on my pics makes me to delete them...this is the best,i think... |
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No Sir! Please don't take offense to my questions. Please, don't feel inclined to take down the people who you respect on my account. I don't think you are wrong to honor the people who taught you. I was just wondering what you all think about the kind of standard I mentioned, that is all. I apologize to you for offending you. Edited by blond |
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