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I have a big respect to all religion in this world and i like to know more in different religion..and thank you for this forum for giving me so many information about Islam 
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Assalamu alaika davebane.

We wellcome you to this forum and we sincerely wish you understanding. But you must make effort to read, research think and then act.
Truly speaking there is only one Islam. Ad-din is a concept translated by the Greeks into religion. Ad-din has ten different meanings: accountability, reward governance, power, obedience, submission etc.
The holy Qur'an is a compendium of all that Allah revealed to mankind from Adam to Jesus the son of Maryam explaining why He is and called Allah. This is understood from the physical and non-physical world. Then He explained and proved beyond any doubt why He has to be obeyed. All what the world is saying about differences in Scriptures is not true. The hatred generated by inciting the Children of Israel against Muhammad is not true. Muhammad married their daughters. The terror the world is facing is due to the lack of that representative of Muhammad called his Khalifa in the world. This Khalifa can be an American a Red Indian, an Ethiopian and never Decreed by Allah to be an Arab. So Allah needs your hand in establishing the Khalifate.
 
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Originally posted by schmikbob schmikbob wrote:

It is apparent that I am going to have to look elsewhere if I going to get some insight into these Quranic verses that predict or predate the science of the last century.  You obviously do not intend to share your vast repository of hidden knowledge.   

If you are opting to look elsewhere, try going through all the subjects here! Always keep in mind the references to these physical phenomena is being made to; are the illiterate bedouins by someone unlettered in order to end  Arabian long dark age and consequently dark age in the yonder! The man was not a scientist and not meant to be one but a Warner and Bringer of the good to people who will write the first book on physics and that is not something to ignore! It is not difficult to see the conquerors do rewrite the history and try to discount everything the vanquished people achieved in their glory! The same is true about the early Muslims...I don't think you knew the most celebrated physicist Ibne Haythem( Al Hazen/ Latanized)was the first scientist of the known world! aka as "The Physicist"  The author of the first book on Optics while the rest of the world thought the earth was flat!
 

http://scienceislam.com/quran_miracles.php


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schmikbob,

I was following your arguments. Quite interesting.

It is natural that you were not satisfied with certain statements found in the Quran that some people consider evidence of miracles. So you asked, �Anyone else??  Can anyone refer me to an authoritative or at least persurasive source for any prophetic aspects to the Quran that have to do with modern science?�

If you do not consider those Qur'anic statements valid answer to your question, may I ask what sort of miracles in the Qur�an would satisfy your quest? If you could specify, that would enable your readers in pin pointing such miracles if there are any.

 

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Ansari

 

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ansari, the other posts have thus far answered my question very well.  From them I have gathered that the answer is "no, the Quran doesn't nor was it intended to predict or predate scientific discoveries of the modern era."  A genuine example would be something a lot more substantial than going through some wild mental gymnastics to get from the word "smoke" to the Quran describing nebula.  From what I can gather this whole Quran and science argument is a modern polemic to try to convince modern sceptics.
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Assalamu alaika Schmikbob.

Your post: this whole Quran and science argument is a modern polemic to try to convince modern sceptics.

Response: When did modernity begin? In the OT Genesis 1:19 Allah said: Have a lot of children! Fill the earth with people and bring it under your control.  .... Here Allah did not tell or describe the process of fertilization. By their civilization they might have understood sex chromosomes.
In Gen 1:20 Allah said, "I have provided all kind of fruit and grain for you to eat." Probably they ate without knowing how food is digested and transported across the body. They do not know ATP=ADP conversion. Do you know that
Please allow us to glorify Allah for we have submitted to Him based on what He created and challenged us to do the same but utterly failed. Note there was never recession or depression from Hijra to 101 A.H.   
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Friendship, other than "When did modernity begin?" your response to my statement actually had nothing to do with my statement.  So in answer to the pertinent portion of your statement, when modernity began is highly subjective but for the sake of argument lets say it began with the year 1800.  Does that help?     
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Schmikbob,

After reading through your posts, I begin to wonder if what you said about someone�s �mental gymnastics�, trying to attribute special significance to the word �smoke� could be right. But before I subscribe to your thought, I want to get further insight into your thinking. I believe that the word �smoke� we are talking about is found in the Quran 41:11. So, before I can assume if the �mental gymnastics� theory is correct, I hope you can clarify some of my doubts, namely:

1. Since the word is taken from the Quran, who do you think the author of this Quran is? I am sure you won�t agree it is Allah. Then the obvious answer is Mohamed. Or, do you think it could be someone else?

2. If you feel it is the latter, what kind of person was he? What do you know about him? Was he a liar, a magician, a lunatic, a tyrant, a terrorist etc. etc.? What kind of background did he live in? What is about his ancestors?

3. When Quran talked about prophets, some critics of the Quran said that Mohamed �learned� about these prophets from the earlier scriptures. In this case, do you believe that he had some sort of �education� about nature, astronomy, zoology, physics etc. etc. from previous scriptures or from anyone else?

4. How many other seventh century illiterate Mohameds, who talked about �smokes� �revolving stars�, �the moon following the sun�, �the star of piercing brightness� �the sky full of great constellations�, �the expanding universe� etc. etc. , did you learn about? How many such Mohameds lived before the 7th century A.D. (not including the prophets as we are not considering the Mohamed in question a prophet. If Mohamed is not a prophet, comparing him with prophets is not fair. Please note Question 3 above is a separate issue).Were there any other such Mohameds for the next 10 centuries after his death?

Answers to these questions are vital to see if somebody was doing �mental gymnastics�. Honest answers to these questions will also enlighten us to know him -  if he was one of many that existed, if he was talking something sensible, if so, from where did he get that information etc. Then we will also be able to consider whether there is anything miraculous about the Quran.

 

Regards,

 

Ansari

 



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