1o1 Biblical Contradictions

Hello Friendship
YOUR REPLY
I hope my observation will bee included before this topic is closed. At one time, I asked: What is this forum wanting to achieve? Indeed this topic lasted for a span of almost 16 months. Muhammad did not come to criticize the Old Scriptures. Therefore, personally, I see no justification in a Muslim criticizing the Bible and trying to point out any contradiction. This stemmed from an inadequate knowledge of the history of the holy Apostle and his Mission.

MY RESPONSE
Yes it did look complicated and long. Im disappointed that Nazleen started the whole thing with quite an aggressive anti Christian post and got everyone going but then never had the decency to at least later contribute! Maybe she wasn�t interested in mature intelligent discussion but just wanted to be spiteful?



YOUR REPLY
Allah never Promised to protect the Torah. In fact right from its inception it was broken down. The Levi tribes were the ones allowed to read the Law Sabbatically. It got lost and then accidentally discovered. But when they found it, they practiced the Law and repented.

MY RESPONSE
Im not sure what you mean by reading the Law Sabbatically ? do you mean it was just read by the Levite priests on the Jewish Sabbath ? Because while the Sabbath was their main day of worship it was read by Jewish believers everyday.
The Torah was never lost. Both before and after the destruction of the Temple by Nebchadnezer in 589 Jewish communities stretched from Spain to Persia to Ethiopia and they all had their own copies of the Torah. Even after the 2 last southern Israelite tribes were taken into captivity in Babylon by Nebchadnezer, the Prophet Daniel had a copy.




YOUR REPLY
The self-pronouncing red-letters in the New Testament do not contain any contradiction. In the same manner as the holy Qur'an contained speeches of the disbelievers and hypocrites, likewise the New Testament.
In the former it is accepted but not in the latter. Such contradictions in the New Testament came from man made speeches but not from the speeches of Jesus the son of Maryam.

MY RESPONSE
The red letters are a modern English publishing gimmick, nothing more. All the sayings of Jesus need the context of the event or situation to make sense. The NT Bible records the life of Maryam the Virgin, John the Baptist and the miracles of Jesus. They are not in red lettering but do you believe the NT is correct in its writing on them?
Are you saying the Quaran is not the �infallible� word of God ? if it contains the speechs of disbelievers and hypocrites ?
In the Quaran, Sura 5:46 states that the Injil was given to Jesus by Allah. Sura 19:30 and 3:3 then clarifies that the Injil is a book just as the Qur'an and the Torah are books that were sent down by Allah.
So Im not sure how you can say that by the time of Mohamad the Injil was not a holy book completely � not just the red lettered parts ?



YOUR REPLY
We should thank the organizors of this forum. We should discuss peace and why the followers of Muhamamd are induifferent to the Khalifate! Lastly, I am appealing to the members of this forum to read my book to be published in the USA.

MY RESPONSE
Yes the organizers of the forum do a good job it appears its intent is to discredit Christianity and make converts? Yes I would like to read your book.

Assalamu alaikum.

Assalamu alaika David 4848.

You must understand that there are regulations in interpretation of the holy Qur'an given by Muhammad Rasulullah and the Sahabas. At the sametime, the life history of Muhammad is extremely important in interpreting the holy Qur'an. In the absence of such regulations in the interpretation of the OT and NT, I apply the same method. I am thus bound to respect the OT and NT and never accept the idea of contradiction or what the majority of those planting terrorism and hatred in the world say about the Holy scriptures.
It seems your Bible and mine are different and even yesterday in a BBC programme I heard that the various Christian denominations use different bible. This is not so with the Qur'an. We have one word but some people changed the meaning but not the text. Every word or letter in the Qur'an was approved by Allah, spoken by Gabriel and then Muhammad, conveyed to us by those who heard it. We know their names, number daay and by day, month by month and year by year. Our statistics are accurate.
Please kindly be honest and tell me if you ever read : Reverend Maththew Henry's unabridged and complete commentary of the Bible?" If you have never read it, please start doing so for you will understand that he indeed translated those part of the holy Qur'an not trnaslated or given meaning by Muslim scholars. It is wrong and absurd to assume that that the Bible must tooth and nail or dovetail the Qur'an. NO! It is the lessons and examples to fear Allah and believe in Him that is important.
Lastly your response that: Yes the organizers of the forum do a good job it appears its intent is to discredit Christianity and make converts? is a very unfair and uncalculated ststement.  First of all as I said in many places, Allah and Muhammad never called the followers of Jesus the son of Maryam Christians. We know them as Muslims. So the discrediting never stemmed from true Muslims. For example, the true Jews never believed that anti-semetism originated from the Muslims but from Roman empire. Who changed the manner Solomon prayed in the Temple? So imagine how Islam and history is distorted! Please let us correct the present by referring to the past!

Hi BMZ
It must have been late and I pushed a x instead of a z. Any way Gods Blessings to you.

YOUR REPLY
The first Muslim was the first person, who submitted to Allah, the LORD Almighty. So, Adam can be called as the first Muslim of his time among his people, because he muslimmed (submitted) to Allah.In 7:143, Moses became the first believer (Muslim) among his people, who were the Egyptians of Pharoah's side. He was among the first or the foremost of that group to believe. The Hebrews were already believers.

MY RESPONSE
If the Quran claims that Moses was the first to believe Im still confused as you cannot have two firsts, this is a clear-cut contradiction ? Moreover, Abraham is explicitly called a Muslim and he lived a long time before Moses and Mohamad.
If Moses and Muhammad were the most important amongst their people and as a result were both the first in the sense of being the most important over their own generation of people, then even this explanation difficult since the context shows that, at least as far as Muhammad is concerned, first can only mean the first one (in time) to submit to the unity of Allah.
Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters. S. 6:14 ???????
Also don�t the hadiths say that Muhammad wasn�t as great as Moses ?
Also in dealing with the problem of Moses being the first believer, which could also be understood as implying that he was the most prominent, thereby contradicting the claim that Muhammad was the most important ??.



YOUR REPLY
Then, there was a guy from the Pharaoh�s own people, who was hiding his faith but had become a believer and lectured Pharaoh and his hosts in 40:28.

MY RESPONSE
So the presence of this Egyptian believer shows that Moses wasn�t the first believer of his generation. This person must have been a believer for a while since apparently he knew of the prophets sent to the people of Ad and Thamud, of Noah, Joseph, and those that came later ?
So to say that. Moses was the first to believe, is negated by passages mentioning persons during Moses� time that also believed, i.e. the Egyptian of Sura 40 who knew of God�s messengers/prophets such as Joseph ???



YOUR REPLY
In 26:51, the magicians, who were brought in by Pharoah, became the first believers (Muslims) among their people.

MY RESPONSE
So here it is the magicians that are the first ones who came to faith! This contradicts the earlier passages claiming that Muhammad was the first to believe, and that Moses was the first to believe. Even if one wants to restrict it to mean only the first ones among the Egyptians, it contradicts 40:28 quoted above which reports about another Egyptian believer. Moreover, Moses had grown up among the Egyptians (from early infancy until well into his adulthood), he had even been adopted by the wife of the Pharaoh (according to the Quran), so he was certainly counted as an Egyptian by them, not as a foreigner.



YOUR REPLY
In 2:127-133, Abraham became the first believer (Muslim) among his people and his sons Ishmael, Issac and grandson Jacob, including his children also followed by submitting to Allah. In 6:14, Prophet Muhammad had been directed to be the foremost of those who believe. So, he was the first Muslim among his own people, the Kafir Meccans. So, he muslimmed first before any pagan Meccan did. In 6:163, Muhammad was commanded to be the first or the foremost among the Muslims of his time, which he did. He was the first Muslim in Arabia.

MY RESPONSE
In S. 6:14 the temporal or �time� aspect is obvious, not the first of a people group or generation. "First" in Sura 6:161-163 has to be understood in a temporal or time sense as well, since the text speaks of having been guided to a way that is straight, to the right religion, presupposing that he was on a different way before. So there is a change in time in regard to his beliefs, and he is supposed to be the first one who bows to Allah�s will.
Also dosnt the Quran and other Islamic sources show that there were true believers both before Muhammad�s birth and during his lifetime, specifically before his alleged call to faith and prophethood, demonstrating that the latter was far from being the first. ???

God Bless you, Assalamu alaika Frienship

YOUR REPLY
Please understand that it is not allowed to translate the holy Qur'an in a manner not translated by Muhammad and those who witnessed the revelation. Your responses are not translated and explained on that criteria. So, it is not acceptable.
According to the teaching of Muhammad we are not to FADDALA that is to prefer or contend for superiority among ourselves etc. We are allowed only to MADAHA that is to laud and praise.

MY RESPONSE
Please can you do your best to translate? Are we like computers that become overloaded with too much information that then says � �Does not compute�! Like a computer do you say �it is not allowed to translate the holy Qur'an in a manner not translated by Muhammad � ?!! �Does not compute�!
Is the Arabic language and the life of Mohamad the only way to communicate Truth. Is not Truth bigger than that !
Are we not allowed to use our God given brain and intellect. Does everything need to be accepted without questioning?! This is the basis of ignorance, indoctrination and brain washing. We can do better than that!
I�m sorry but this does not help me. Can you try to answer the contradictions please, or if not, at least tell me if you are prepared to ask God to reveal Truth to you even at the risk it does not fit with your traditions and learning ??

Assalamu alaika
David