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Originally posted by lady lady wrote:

Assalaamoalaikum. If I am at a seminar or at a friend's house, and someone prays for a polythesist god to bless the food, and at the same time I quietly ask Allah (SWT) to bless the food and  say to HIM that I do not associate partners with HIM, does that mean that I can still eat the food? Can you give me more examples if this is correct? If this is correct then would I have to do this as well to people who say they are five percenter muslims or people who belong to the Nation of Islam even though they will use they use the word Allah (SWT) for God?
 


W'a'salaam

The hypothetical will get you on some slippery slope if you keep running to an ImamWink
At seminar there can always be some hors d' oeuvres, some non meat preparations to get by...

And your friends should know who you are and what your beliefs happen to be...I think if a somebody else does that out of blue then that is poor manners and they need be subtly lectured! The food of the polytheists like Hindus is not approved for consumption; just that of the people of books who these days are just the Orthodox Jews that follow the dietary laws... Christians don't have any!

And if they offer you food in an Islamic environment chances are partaking it once is not a big deal but while abroad you have already limited your options if you want to stay within the limits... Islam is religion of limits not justifications!
There is a better way to handle this jovially by saying now I would like to give thanks to the lady of the house XYZ before I enjoy the food and Almighty for letting me do it. 
You can be vocal to express your prayer which will serve a notice against a repeat of such an incident and a dawah! Kill two birds with one stone wrapped in silk!

And last item the NOI is non Muslims. period...



Edited by Sign*Reader - 17 June 2011 at 12:39am
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Well, I do not mind going to the imam asking him hypothetical genuine questions.  Well, here where I live if I go to a seminar then sometimes someone will take the initiative pray over the food using the microphone.
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What kind of seminars are we talking about?

I see Br. Hasan has made bold the Quranic prohibition in his post an Imam can't just nullify! That will raise some questions about the class of the imam! You don't need imam for such things you should know what is in Quran and in what is your soul that will direct to right decision in most cases! If something is not mentioned in Quran then you may consult with qualified imam! Islam is not an clergy oriented faith...There are imams and then there are imams!
All I know is the Muslims became Muzlums (in bondage) cuz they kept going for the taweels just like the Bani Israel; and rest is history!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2011 at 9:58pm
Assalaamoalaikum. The seminars that I attend sometimes are work related. I don't usually ask hypothetical questions. The questions that I do have are based on my personal situations. Our imam is respected much from state to state. He is very practical and knowlegeable about Islam. Again thanks to all for taking out the time to answer my question. I have already received the answer to my question.

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As-salaam alaikum.  I think the best thing to do is to be on the safe side and try to avoid the food.  I feel that the Quran is clear on the matter, as brother Hasan showed.  Therefore, that food should be avoided.  If you can, perhaps you can bring your own food. 
Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)

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Assalaamoalikum.
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I'm confused, Lady. Polythesist god? Which religion are you talking about?

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Originally posted by lady lady wrote:

Is permissible because you are praying over YOUR own food, and if someone prays outloud over the food then they are praying over their food. If I say in my heart as this person is praying, that "Allah I associate no partners with YOU, and I am aware that YOU are the ONE GOD. Then It is permissible to eat because Your food has nothing to do with that person's food. And also you have declared to Allah (SWT) that you do not agree with the prayer.  For example, it is the same as if someone prays outloud, "Oh Lord, we know that you sent us down Jesus, (AS) to worhip him, and to believe that he is god." This prayer if said outloud does not affect what you believe in your heart. So does that mean that when the person says WE that you will be held accountable for her statement, and that you following what she said because she made the prayer out loud? NO,  so the food will be permissible.

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Makes sense to me. JazakAllah for sharing Lady. It is sometimes better to approach a scholar or imam if you have access to one. 

Although, one question... was the food Vegetarian or Meat? Because if the meat was not halal, then even if u pray Allah's name over it... it stays non-halal. But if the food was permissible like vegetarian or halal meat, then the Imam's statement would make sense.

If the food has non-halal meat, then I would follow Signreader's advise and stick  to the 'safe foods' such as vegetarian or seafood dishes.

Whenever in doubt, opt for Seafood, Vegetarian or Kosher.








Edited by Chrysalis - 20 July 2011 at 6:21am
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