Where is the Evidence?

Caringheart wrote: a)The qur'an is not complete.  b)If you read the qur'an, you see clearly that it is not the same story.  c)There are similarities, but there are glaring differences.  d)The qur'an contains some of the Truth, but not all.

a) The qur'an is complete - by complete we can not talk pages of text, but the actual content explained. The messages, that the God from the Qur'an wants us to receive - is all in there without any holes in the logic like you find in the bible. The messages God from the Bible wants to give us, seem to have many peaces missing, and some are simply contradicting. If you don't agree with this, you have not read eather books properly.

b) I read the que'an - and i see clearly the opposite of what you are telling me, that it is the same story - and i see clearly that the differences are all the parts of the bible that does not appear logical. What does that mean ? That Muslims corrupted the bible ? Or does it mean that they did not corrupt Qur'an.

c) Yes - there are glaring differences, and those are the parts of the Bible that does not make much sense. Those are the parts of the bible that for example blame the woman for the fall of man, the stuff that is man made to control people trough religion. Someone inserted this blame on woman, to have a more obedient wife. It sure was not God that put that stuff in the bible, because God is extremely clear on his views of the woman.

d) I have no idea what the truth is - i am not chirstian and i am not a muslim. I am simply having an objective look at the two books, and there  is no way that all of the bible is all written by the same person / God.

Some stuff in between - really all over the place - seem to be written by someone completely different from the main author.  The quality of the messages are just all of a sudden completely contradicting... and that is what you can not find in the Qur'an. 

Now I think there are two main reasons for this:

1) The Qur'an is written in Arabic, a language that stil is in use, no need for all the translations the bible has gone trough.
2) The Qur'an had the material the religious leaders wanted from the beginning. In other words no need for a change or rewrite.







Edited by solitair - 05 March 2014 at 11:34pm

solitair wrote: Caringheart wrote: a)The qur'an is not complete.  b)If you read the qur'an, you see clearly that it is not the same story.  c)There are similarities, but there are glaring differences.  d)The qur'an contains some of the Truth, but not all. b) I read the que'an - and i see clearly the opposite of what you are telling me, that it is the same story - and i see clearly that the differences are all the parts of the bible that does not appear logical. What does that mean ? That Muslims corrupted the bible ? Or does it mean that they did not corrupt Qur'an. d) I have no idea what the truth is - i am not chirstian and i am not a muslim. I am simply having an objective look at the two books, and there  is no way that all of the bible is all written by the same person / God. Some stuff in between - really all over the place - seem to be written by someone completely different from the main author.  The quality of the messages are just all of a sudden completely contradicting... and that is what you can not find in the Qur'an.

Greetings solitair,

I try not to belabor every point but only the ones that most stand out to me.  In this instance...

Indeed the Judeo-Christian scriptures have many authors.  The Qur'an would have one voice because it was revealed by only one person.

You say, you do not find 'the quality of the messages in the Qur'an contradicting', and I find them entirely contradicting... and I find this all the more concerning because of the fact that they do come from the mouth of one person, who claims to speak with the voice of the Creator.

I find the message of Yshwe(known as Jesus) to be cohesive and in keeping with earlier revelations.

Salaam and blessings,
Caringheart



Edited by Caringheart - 07 March 2014 at 4:52pm

Caringheart wrote: You say, you do not find 'the quality of the messages in the Qur'an contradicting', and I find them entirely contradicting...

It seems to be common for people with your or similar background to say  view the Qur'an as "entirely contradicting". If you don't agree with the Qur'an, or if you don't agree with Islam - that is one thing, but to say that the Qur'an is "entirely contradicting" is just an untrue statement you allow yourself to utter because you are not educated enough to discover how wrong it is.

So this is the chalenge:

We have to keep this simple enough to follow, so lets just start at the beginning of the bible, a story that everybody know very well.

Genesis, the creation of the world, man etc. The same story is in the Qur'an. Show me how that story contains contradictions in the Qur'an.

I am so tired of people just making a claim and not having a clue... so prove your statement of for ever hold your tong about this topic.

Quran the Ultimate Miracle 1 of 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8gXcCNJN0U