Prophecy

I think people like Ron Webb understand fully well all of this but they want to twist it and turn it so that anything/everything to do with Islam looks bad.

I wonder what answers he has thought up for the questions that he will be asked on the Day of Resurrection?

Lachi wrote: Abu Loren wrote: For those of you who just do not understand or have been living in a closet for years, Dubai currently has the tallest building in the world. However, Saudi Arabia is now considering/planning/building another tall building to beat Dubai.One could say both people are descendants of herdsmen or Bedouins. That's what the Hadith is about. Seems competing to build tall buildings is quite common among the herdsmen - http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2013&mm=10&dd=09&nav_id=87940 http://armstrongwilliam.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/a-competition-for-the-giant-camlica-mosque/ http://www.e-architect.co.uk/kosovo/central-mosque-competition-entry And so forth.

So what's your point?  Are you going to continue to pretend as if the prophecy has not come true?

As I mentioned before, there are other prophecies of Muhammad (peace be upon him) that have also come true.  Would you like to see them?  I only ask because Ron hasn't responded yet to my invitation, so I am now asking you...another skeptic. 

Ron Webb wrote: islamispeace wrote: As usual, Ron missed the point!  The prophecy foretold that people would build tall buildings.  This has come to pass! And that's a prophecy?  I am underwhelmed.  People have been building tall buildings since long before Muhammad.   Now, with regard to the alleged absence of the "herdsmen" that Ron is so uptight about, the plain fact is that he again missed the point.  Classical Islamic scholars, who lived centuries before the tall buildings were built, interpreted the reference to "herdsmen" to mean that the once poor Arabs would become rich and powerful. You mean their descendents would become rich and powerful.  Again, I am underwhelmed.  I think it's safe to say that most rich people are descended from poor people if you trace it back far enough. And if that's what Muhammad meant, then why didn't he say it? There are many other prophecies that we can consider.  If Ron is up to it, I can mention some more. Just give me your best prophecy.  This one is hardly even worth discussing.

Poor Ron Webb. The guys has nothing better do in life but to log onto islamicity and counter argue everything that a Muslim says without any logic or reason. Sad.

Ron Webb wrote: And that's a prophecy?  I am underwhelmed.  People have been building tall buildings since long before Muhammad.

You're still not getting it.  The prophecy stated that a time would come that the poor and downtrodden Bedouins would become wealthy and compete with each other in constructing tall buildings.  In the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him), it would have been a bold statement to make.  There was no indication that the poor Arabs would eventually become wealthy and start building tall structures. 

Ron Webb wrote: You mean their descendents would become rich and powerful.  Again, I am underwhelmed.  I think it's safe to say that most rich people are descended from poor people if you trace it back far enough.

Again, you missed the point.  How did Muhammad (peace be upon him) know that the descendants would be rich and powerful and that they would construct tall buildings? 

Ron Webb wrote: And if that's what Muhammad meant, then why didn't he say it?

What are you talking about?  He said that a time would come when the "rabble" would betake to "palaces in big cities".  He also stated that "herdsmen" would compete in the construction of tall buildings.  Obviously, "herdsmen" would not be able to build anything without wealth.  In order to build tall structures, vast sums of money are needed.  That is what the prophecy stated.

Ron Webb wrote: Just give me your best prophecy.  This one is hardly even worth discussing.

 

You have so far failed to offer a reasonable excuse for why you have been "underwhelmed" by this prophecy.  Here are some more prophecies:

1.  Sexual promiscuity -

"Abd Allah ibn Umar (ra) related that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

'The Hour will not come until there are men and women in the streets having sexual intercourse with each other like donkeys do." (Sahih Hibban, Number 1889)

This prophecy has obviously come true.  Sexual promiscuity is very common nowadays and is no longer considered taboo.  In the time of the Prophet, it would have been unthinkable.

2.  Christians will form the majority of people:

"Mustaurid Qurashi reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would come when the Romans would form a majority amongst people. This reached 'Amr b. al-'As and he said: What are these ahadith which are being transmitted from you and which you claim to have heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? Mustaurid said to him: I stated only that which I heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Thereupon 'Amr said: If you state this (it is true), for they have the power of tolerance amongst people at the time of turmoil and restore themselves to sanity after trouble, and are good amongst people so far as the destitute and the weak are concerned." (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6926)

"Romans" was how the Muslims referred to the Byzantine Christians.  In this hadith, it was prophesied that the Christians would be the "majority amongst people", which of course has come true since Christians are the most numerous religious group in the world, accounting for more than 30% of the world's population.  Islam is second at around 25%. 

So here are two more prophecies which have clearly been fulfilled, alhamdulillah.     


Edited by islamispeace - 01 July 2014 at 5:02pm