quran and science

@Quranexplorer

You have clearly failed to prove wrong the clay statement in Quran as all the elements in your clay formula are present in the human body

Sure, if the Quran stated that we are made out of Cerium you would still try to make me believe that this is true because we hold 40mg of it in our body.

----------------------------------------------------

Than

Noah's Ark: There is no point in denying the possibility of a flood with some speculative limits set by limited human knowledge. I can agree with you if you can definitively establish a scientific proof that no flood is possible above 400MSL. Can you?

This defense line is outright laughable, sorry.

----------------------------------------------------

and than:

Your confusion on multiple creators: Al-Baqara 2:2577 Allah is the Protecting Guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.

You could as well have answered "lalala".

----------------------------------------------------

Last not least:

On embryology: I have given my version based on the Quran and you are the one looking to deny the Quran. So what is stopping you from quoting your so called neutral libraries if you think you have some ground to deny the Quran??

YOU wrote that "many experts in the field of embryology" confirm the claims made in the Quran.
I'm sure you won't find any - besides the unfortunate Moore (who pulled back from it later).

----------------------------------------------------

Just to cut a long story short: I think I will stop discussing with you and let the grown up reader decide between the arguments you brought up and those that I formulated.
From time to time I will nevertheless check on the "renowned scientists" you'll list in order to corroborate your claims.

Airmano

Edited by airmano - 27 October 2014 at 3:06pm

qasim nabeel wrote: MashALLAH members explain it so vastly ....

Shukran brother. Happy to know you find the discussion interesting.

Jazakallah Khair.

Ron Webb wrote: This is like saying that the human body is made of atoms, and clay is made of atoms, therefore the human body is made of clay. What you're missing, and what clay is missing, is carbon.� As any science fiction fan will tell you, humans are "carbon-based units".� A molecule is considered organic, by definition, if it contains at least one carbon atom. �Clay contains essentially no carbon.� It is inorganic, by definition, and no lifeform can be made from it.� (At least not any lifeform we have ever seen on earth.� Maybe the Quran was originally drafted for silicon-based creatures in some other galaxy, and this clay reference was overlooked in the editing process.

Let us have a look at what the Quran says:

Sad 38:72 And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate

It is clear that there were two separate processes here.1) Creation of human form out of clay and 2) Imparting life to the form by breathing the spirit of Allah. Now,I wonder if some of our science fiction fans were present during the second process to vouch there was no Carbon involved during this process.

And I just get further curious, with these extremely talented scientific minds around, combined with such high level of knowledge on the constituents of a life form, why is it not possible to mix all these components in the right proportion to create life? Surely worth all the efforts considering the so many troubled minds wandering in if's,but's,speculations and uncertainties

Quranexplorer wrote: It is clear that there were two separate processes here.1) Creation of human form out of clay and 2) Imparting life to the form by breathing the spirit of Allah. Now,I wonder if some of our science fiction fans were present during the second process to vouch there was no Carbon involved during this process.

1) Since virtually every molecule of the human body contains carbon, what would it mean to "fashion" a body without using carbon?
2) Oh, so Allah's "spirit" is made of carbon?

And I just get further curious, with these extremely talented scientific minds around, combined with such high level of knowledge on the constituents of a life form, why is it not possible to mix all these components in the right proportion to create life? Surely worth all the efforts considering the so many troubled minds wandering in if's,but's,speculations and uncertainties

We're making progress (see airmano's response).  Considering that it (allegedly) took Allah about a billion years from the time the earth was formed, I'd say we're doing pretty well.

Edited by Ron Webb - 30 October 2014 at 8:51am