quran and science

Ron Webb wrote: Since virtually every molecule of the human body contains carbon, what would it mean to "fashion" a body without using carbon?2) Oh, so Allah's "spirit" is made of carbon? [IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />

Let's not waste time on the usual if's and but's under the disguise of science. Have you got something solid to establish with 100% certainty that no Carbon could have got into the life form during the process 2 I mentioned above.Otherwise it is pointless to just talk on the possibilities,uncertainties etc.

Ron Webb wrote: We're making progress (see airmano's response).� Considering that it (allegedly) took Allah about a billion years from the time the earth was formed, I'd say we're doing pretty well.

So does that mean the so called "We" have started making something completely on their own? But all I can see is simple human beings living on the earth of Allah utilizing all the resources freely available to them. Apart from being thankless for all the mercies that Allah has bestowed on his creatures,they become full of arrogance and think they are comparable to Allah just by achieving something infinitely insignificant in comparison to Allah's creation (see my response to Airmano).

Allah in ch 96 v 1-2 of Quran says-"proclaim! In the name of thy lord and cherisher, who created-created man out of mere clot of congealed blood".word alaq besides meaning a congealed clot of blood also means something that clings, a leech like substance.Dr.keeth moore who was professor of embryology and chairman of department of anatomy at university of Toronto, canada, had no knowledge whether an embryo in initial stages appears like a leech.to check this he studied initial stage of embryo under a very powerful microscope in his lab and compared what he observed with a diagram of a l.eech and he was astinished at striking resemblance between the two.

airmano wrote: I knew that we'd end up with Moore He's the only "renowned scientist" expressing that "there is some truth to the claims of the Quran" but QE spoke of "many scientists". Where are the others? Moore used this statement to please the Saudi Family at the time. When he saw that his words were heavily abused for religious purposes (as here) he didn't even want to be reminded of his own claims later on. Here, this is what most of the renowned scientist think about him nowadays: Iqra ! Airmano

Now let the sensible readers out there decide whose words are more credible here:

First we have an eminent embryologist (Dr. Keith Moore) who conducted a detailed study on the quranic references on the embryo development and has presented his findings at the world stage with detailed scientific supporting showing what the Quran said 1,400 years ago matches with the scientific facts known now. Moreover, the fact that he published his results being a non-muslim should be proof enough to show that he was not doing it from religious motives. Also the fact that even his critic here (with a clear personal interest) has no doubt on his caliber having acknowledged all his works except this one on quranic references on embryology should be proof enough to show that he definitely has the authority to comment on these matters.

Second we have a hardcore atheist (PZ Myres) who mostly resorts to personal attacks to denounce the work of someone whose works he acknowledges as good except this one on quran! And that is obviously understandable considering his personal interests to protect something that he believes in.

And coming to your �Saudi Family� comment, do you have something to prove it or is it the same baseless allegations as usual when people find themselves on shaky grounds?

airmano wrote: To QE You wrote in person that "many renowned scientists/embryologists confirm the claims of the Quran". Everybody can check that you used the plural and that I already warned at the beginning that I want somebody else than Moore. Still waiting. Airmano Ps: I come to Moore once you've given some names from your allegedly long list. I bet you will say "Gimme your comments about Moore first" - simply to hide that you have no other names.

This is what I said earlier:

Quranexplorer wrote: I have already referred to the Quran and it�s interpretations by experts in the field of embryology with an understanding of these Quranic verses. Now you are free to quote your neutral libraries if you have any disagreement.

Since the Quranic statements are available in the public domain for any sort of scrutiny, the natural way to discuss any differences is for the disputer to bring his arguments with solid proofs, which I have not seen from your side.

Now if you insist, here is a list of experts giving their opinion on the quranic references including embryology so that you don't have to use its absence as the next excuse.