quran and science

Dear Ron,
please correct me if I am wrong, but you give me a perception that your belief in God is dependent upon what goes on in this world on a daily basis, acts of people, what people do.
If people do bad on earth you doubt that there is any God, I assume, if there was peace on earth you would say your belief in God is firmer?
Ron, I am sure you are aware of the verse of the Quran that says God has given Adam and his children a time on earth so each one of them can have a chance to prove themselves and thus earn their eternal destination in peace and happiness or else. If we fail in this chance which is given to us we have ourselves to blame for not doing the right thing.
We see that each one of us is free to do good things, save lives, or do bad things and shed blood. It is not because God does not exist or cannot control what he has created, no, but because God has appointed a day on which this world will come to end and until then there will be good and bad on this earth. As a command from God to those who believe, they must follow the way of justice and goodness. On the day of Judgement, the court will be in session, justice will be served. It will be after that that none will be able to choose or do bad things anymore. Those who did bad, and shed blood will be punished accordingly, while those who sincerely made effort to obey God, do good, value life will rejoice as they are announced as the winners that day, and rewarded. Can the reward for doing good be anything but good? can reward for doing bad anything but bad? This is very important because we are told that Justice will be done to the tinniest detail possible, and that nothing is hidden from the sight of God. What a relief that is to a believer.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 15 November 2014 at 2:00pm

Airmano,
God is free of all wants or need. God does not need our worship to be God, we need Him however, we are dependent upon Him.
If Nokia makes a phone and that phone does not serve it's purpose what you do think Nokia will do with it?
To love and serve and worship my maker is only my act, my acknowledgement that He made me, gave me the faculties of seeing, hearing, feeling, thinking, comprehending and so on. It is my recognition and thanking and serving Him that come out natural when I make sense of things.
You can tell someone all day that you love them, but that love only becomes real when you do something beside lip service, that doing something is putting words in practice. If we don't serve our purpose what use we have other than to be used as fuel for fire.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 15 November 2014 at 3:20pm

honeto wrote: please correct me if I am wrong, but you give me a perception that your belief in God is dependent upon what goes on in this world on a daily basis, acts of people, what people do. If people do bad on earth you doubt that there is any God, I assume, if there was peace on earth you would say your belief in God is firmer?

No, not what people do, but what God does.  Which, as far as I can see, is nothing at all.  The world operates exactly as it would without God.

Ron, I am sure you are aware of the verse of the Quran that says God has given Adam and his children a time on earth so each one of them can have a chance to prove themselves and thus earn their eternal destination in peace and happiness or else. If we fail in this chance which is given to us we have ourselves to blame for not doing the right thing.

I have no problem with being punished if I fail to do the right thing (though I have to say that God's punishments often far exceed what is warranted by the crime).  I just don't see why I should have to suffer because of other people's failings.  Especially if God claims to care about me and promises to protect me.

We see that each one of us is free to do good things, save lives, or do bad things and shed blood. It is not because God does not exist or cannot control what he has created, no, but because God has appointed a day on which this world will come to end and until then there will be good and bad on this earth. As a command from God to those who believe, they must follow the way of justice and goodness. On the day of Judgement, the court will be in session, justice will be served. It will be after that that none will be able to choose or do bad things anymore. Those who did bad, and shed blood will be punished accordingly, while those who sincerely made effort to obey God, do good, value life will rejoice as they are announced as the winners that day, and rewarded. Can the reward for doing good be anything but good? can reward for doing bad anything but bad? This is very important because we are told that Justice will be done to the tinniest detail possible, and that nothing is hidden from the sight of God. What a relief that is to a believer.

It's no relief at all for me to know that bad people will be punished.  I don't want them punished.  I want them stopped.  I want them prevented from hurting others.  If a policeman sees someone assaulting me (and assuming the policeman can stop it), I expect him to intervene and protect me from harm.  I would be angry if he simply stood there watching and did nothing.  It would be little comfort to know that he would be a good witness at my assailant's trial later.

P.S.: To quote your own words to airmano, "You can tell someone all day that you love them, but that love only becomes real when you do something beside lip service, that doing something is putting words in practice."

Edited by Ron Webb - 16 November 2014 at 8:18am

Ron Webb wrote: honeto wrote: please correct me if I am wrong, but you give me a perception that your belief in God is dependent upon what goes on in this world on a daily basis, acts of people, what people do.If people do bad on earth you doubt that there is any God, I assume, if there was peace on earth you would say your belief in God is firmer? No, not what people do, but what God does.� Which, as far as I can see, is nothing at all.� The world operates exactly as it would without God. Ron, I am sure you are aware of the verse of the Quran that says God has given Adam and his children a time on earth so each one of them can have a chance to prove themselves and thus earn their eternal destination in peace and happiness or else. If we fail in this chance which is given to us we have ourselves to blame for not doing the right thing. I have no problem with being punished if I fail to do the right thing (though I have to say that God's punishments often far exceed what is warranted by the crime).� I just don't see why I should have to suffer because of other people's failings.� Especially if God claims to care about me and promises to protect me. We see that each one of us is free to do good things, save lives, or do bad things and shed blood. It is not because God does not exist or cannot control what he has created, no, but because God has appointed a day on which this world will come to end and until then there will be good and bad on this earth. As a command from God to those who believe, they must follow the way of justice and goodness. On the day of Judgement, the court will be in session, justice will be served. It will be after that that none will be able to choose or do bad things anymore. Those who did bad, and shed blood will be punished accordingly, while those who sincerely made effort to obey God, do good, value life will rejoice as they are announced as the winners that day, and rewarded. Can the reward for doing good be anything but good? can reward for doing bad anything but bad? This is very important because we are told that Justice will be done to the tinniest detail possible, and that nothing is hidden from the sight of God. What a relief that is to a believer. It's no relief at all for me to know that bad people will be punished.� I don't want them punished.� I want them stopped.� I want them prevented from hurting others.� If a policeman sees someone assaulting me (and assuming the policeman can stop it), I expect him to intervene and protect me from harm.� I would be angry if he simply stood there watching and did nothing.� It would be little comfort to know that he would be a good witness at my assailant's trial later.P.S.: To quote your own words to airmano, "You can tell someone all day that you love them, but that love only becomes real when you do something beside lip service, that doing something is putting words in practice."

Ron,
I will reply to all your points but one at a time. Here is the reply to the first part.
Ron, God does not interfere because it is our test, except if it is in His plan (saving Jesus or Moses, pbut). Since it is our test and we are given time and tools to go through it, the results will be handed out when this term is finished.

In an examination hall an exam conductor does not help a student who is doing bad, nor reward the one doing good. That part of rewarding or punishing, the results come later. Position of each one of us on this earth is that of a student in the exam room.
Hasan