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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2015 at 12:04am
Originally posted by 786iec 786iec wrote:

the rest just later evolved into monkeys so it became less important to he others.

Wow, I'm sorry, I just have to say... I find it so hard to imagine that there are people still so uneducated in the world today.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2015 at 5:25am
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Quote The Kabaa was built by the Prophet Abraham and it was Holy to all Abrahamic faiths.Not Muslims only but the rest just later evolved into monkeys so it became less important to he others.
Any evidence (besides the Quran/Hadiths ) for these claims ?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2015 at 10:32am
Any evidence (besides the Quran/Hadiths ) for these claims ?


To prove what? the Kaaba stands in front of you what proof are you looking for ???you blind or what?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2015 at 10:54pm
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Quote To prove what? the Kaaba stands in front of you what proof are you looking for ???you blind or what?
All I see (on pictures because they would never let me in) is a black tent/box. I could as well put one in my garden and declare it as holy (and built by Abraham).

Jokes aside:
Are there any historical writings, paintings, coins, DNA tests, excavation sites, similarities in building style... supporting that:

a) The Kaaba was build by Abraham ?
b) That there has ever been a moment where the Kaaba was holy to the Jews and/or the Christians ?
c) That human beings ever evolved into monkeys ?


Good luck:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2015 at 4:54am
Greetings The Saint.

Disagree. I was surprised when, during my explorations(my studying and researching the Christian faith), I found otherwise.

Did you find Jesus PBUH was not crucified at all? Or, are you saying that the day was different?

"The Ka'aba of Mecca was one of several Ka'abas across Arabia each one dedicated to a different god and each having its own coloured stone , the one in Mecca was dedicated to the god Hubal a phoentical distortion of the Canaanite god Ba'al(it started out as Haba'al meaning "The lord" which later on gave birth to Allah which have a similar meaning). Now on the subject of who built it, it's note worthy to point out to the Islamic 3 "Satan's stelles" that Muslims gather around each year to throw stones at in a symbolic way of stoning the Devil .

After Ibrahim AS and Ismail AS constructed the Kaaba vy Allah's command and until Muhammad PBUH cleansed it of 360 plus gods different kinds of people lived in and around Mecca.

The Bedouins (who raised Mohammed) had Djins - square stone boxes where they believed spirits rested. The Kaaba can be seen loosely as fitting in with this tradition, although the Kaaba could be walked into. There are still some Djins in Petra. If you google 'Djin', you'll see some images. The Kaaba was a place where different, often warring Bedouin tribes would come and, in respite from war, honour their gods. This helped foster trade, and Mecca developed as a commercial as well as spiritual hub."

Muhammad PBUH was raised by noblemen to whose tribe he belonged. And despite the Kaaba being polluted by pagan idols he never ever turned towards them. He continued in search of the true eternal God.

He never practiced magic or indulged in contacts with Jinns? Btw, do you believe in Jinns?


It is possible that hubal or baal's idols may have been placed in the kaaba by the pagans. But the Prophet PBUH broke all idols establishing the supremacy of the One God again and re-consecrated it to Him. Ever since it has remained so.

It seems that the ka'aba was a part of the general culture, other gods, and stones, and there were many of them, long before Muhammad turned the one in Mecca to the purpose of his religion, claiming the religion of Abraham and the one God.

Maybe. Who cares. It is only important that Ibrahim, Musa, Eesa and Muhammad PBUT all worshipped the same eternal God, Allah. And today the most important religious shrine, The Qibla is represented by the Kaaba. And almost two billion Muslims face it while praying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2015 at 5:05am
http://muslimmatters.org/2012/11/15/ten-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-kaaba/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2015 at 5:12am
"The tabernacle and Temple in Israel were rectangular"

So was this Kaaba.

I just posted a link for Airmano.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2015 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:

Greetings The Saint.
Disagree. I was surprised when, during my explorations(my studying and researching the Christian faith), I found otherwise.

Did you find Jesus PBUH was not crucified at all? Or, are you saying that the day was different?
 

Greetings The Saint,

There are differences of opinion on the day on which Yshwe was crucified.
I read one study that explained the different Sabbath and Passover dates for the year Yshwe was crucified... and we know that he sat down with His Disciples for a last supper.
Apparently in the year that He was crucified it was not an ordinary year for the day on which the Passover fell... something like that.
  (I wish I had either taken notes, or had the time to search it out again.)

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