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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:


How does this fit to Allah being "just"? An innocent person being crucified just because he looked like Jesus ?
It could have been a criminal, you are once again only guessing.

The noble verse says:It is stated in the Quran, That they said (in their boast), "We killed the Messiah Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), The Messenger of Allah"- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety They killed him not-Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise- Q 4:157-158.


Do you really think the Romans and the Jewish high priest were such fools ?

Greetings The Saint,

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to explain this passage of the qur'an to you from an outside viewpoint?

'of a surety they killed him not'
- refers to the Jews
it was only 'made to appear to the Jews' that they had killed Him , because in actuality it was by God's ordainment, and by the Roman's hands....
so yes, much disputing... about who was responsible for the killing of Yshwe... the Roman's or the Jews...

Pontius Pilate was recorded to say;
'I wash my hands of the matter'...
in other words he was declaring 'his blood is not on my hands, it is on yours (the Jews)'... this was the reason he offered a choice to them of which prisoner to release... he did not want it said that he was the one that had condemned Yshwe.

'They killed him not but allah raised him to himself' - refers to the resurrection and the ascension of Yshwe.... for Yshwe lives!  That is the great news... the 'Good news of the Gospel'.

and yes, much disputing over that fact as well.
... surely the Jews did not want to admit, even to themselves, whom they had just asked the Roman's to crucify.

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart

Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2015 at 1:47pm
The Saint:
Quote For us the Quran and the Hadiths more than suffice regarding the truth about Muhammad PBUH. Besides Muslims also read commentaries on his exalted character and accept them which you could also, but don't.
So the logic goes: Mohamed is great because he told us so! Wow !
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Quote Regarding the Jinns, why don't you write to Islamicity? Ask them how you could go about contacting them?
I don't feel the desire to make a fool out of me.
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Quote About: K.S. Ramakrishna Rao
Great news that an unknown Muslim finds his prophet smashing. Apparently Lisa from Berlin and John from Boston also gave Buddah a like.
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Quote Airmano: You told me to read the book, did you ? - or was is just the usual copy and paste from your islamic webpages (that also copy and paste from each other without checking) ?

The Saint: What are you talking about? Please explain.
I will probably open a new thread on this subject.
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Quote Airmano: How does this fit to Allah being "just"? An innocent person being crucified just because he looked like Jesus ?
The Saint: It could have been a criminal, you are once again only guessing.
And here you're not guessing ?

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Quote They were fooled by none less than God Almighty Himself.
So I conclude that god is fooling us!? May be they are not the only ones!

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Quote Airmano: Frankly, this is laughable.

The Saint Not to me. I believe in Allah SWT, God of Jesus PBUH, your God and mine
I understood already.

Airmano

Edited by airmano - 06 May 2015 at 2:01pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2015 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by airmano airmano wrote:

The Saint:
Quote For us the Quran and the Hadiths more than suffice regarding the truth about Muhammad PBUH. Besides Muslims also read commentaries on his exalted character and accept them which you could also, but don't.
So the logic goes: Mohamed is great because he told us so! Wow !
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Quote Regarding the Jinns, why don't you write to Islamicity? Ask them how you could go about contacting them?
I don't feel the desire to make a fool out of me.
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Quote About: K.S. Ramakrishna Rao
Great news that an unknown Muslim finds his prophet smashing.



Apparently Lisa from Berlin and John from Boston also gave Buddah a like.
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Quote Airmano: You told me to read the book, did you ? - or was is just the usual copy and paste from your islamic webpages (that also copy and paste from each other without checking) ?

The Saint: What are you talking about? Please explain.
I will probably open a new thread on this subject.
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Quote Airmano: How does this fit to Allah being "just"? An innocent person being crucified just because he looked like Jesus ?
The Saint: It could have been a criminal, you are once again only guessing.
And here you're not guessing ?

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Quote They were fooled by none less than God Almighty Himself.
So I conclude that god is fooling us!? May be they are not the only ones!

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Quote Airmano: Frankly, this is laughable.

The Saint Not to me. I believe in Allah SWT, God of Jesus PBUH, your God and mine
I understood already.

Airmano





Muhammad SAW is great because one point two billion Muslims say so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2015 at 4:35am
786iec:
Quote Muhammad SAW is great because one point two billion Muslims say so.
I guess your statement will please all Christians.

2 Billions, who offers more ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2015 at 6:38am
So the logic goes: Mohamed is great because he told us so! Wow !

I am sorry I missed this post of yours. Btw, which part of my post did you fail to understand? I had said, "For us the Quran and the Hadiths more than suffice regarding the truth about Muhammad PBUH. Besides Muslims also read commentaries on his exalted character and accept them"

I don't feel the desire to make a fool out of me.

There is no harm in asking an Islamic site considering Muslims vouch for Jinns? In fact talking to Muslims, your being a fool will never be discovered?

Great news that an unknown Muslim finds his prophet smashing.

See you just put your foot your mouth is.

Rao is not a Muslim. That is what makes what you fear to be.


And here you're not guessing ?

I always expect the best of God Almighty.

So I conclude that god is fooling us!? May be they are not the only ones!

Not always. But He does punish know it alls who refuse to see sense.

I understood already.

You did? I strongly suspect you are lying
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2015 at 7:07am
Greetings The Saint,

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to explain this passage of the qur'an to you from an outside viewpoint?

What, in your view, do you think it means?

'of a surety they killed him not' - refers to the Jews
it was only 'made to appear to the Jews' that they had killed Him , because in actuality it was by God's ordainment, and by the Roman's hands....
so yes, much disputing... about who was responsible for the killing of Yshwe... the Roman's or the Jews...

But Jesus PBUH was not killed. So, the question of who did it does not arise

Pontius Pilate was recorded to say;
'I wash my hands of the matter'...
in other words he was declaring 'his blood is not on my hands, it is on yours (the Jews)'... this was the reason he offered a choice to them of which prisoner to release... he did not want it said that he was the one that had condemned Yshwe.

'They killed him not but allah raised him to himself' - refers to the resurrection and the ascension of Yshwe.... for Yshwe lives! That is the great news... the 'Good news of the Gospel'.

Of course, he lives. And he will come again as a Muslim and after defeating the enemies of Islam, he will dies
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2015 at 7:17am
Almost 25% of the planet's population says yes to Muhammad. A few percentage points more are christians.

But how many christians are practicing and how many follow the teachings of Jesus PBUH?

What will in-the-name only christians offer?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2015 at 8:25am
�� the religiosity of Muslims deserves respect. It is impossible not to admire, for example, their fidelity to prayer. The image of believers in Allah who, without caring about time or place, fall to their knees and immerse themselves in prayer remains a model for all those who invoke the true God, in particular for those Christians who, having deserted their magnificent cathedrals, pray only a little or not at all.� � Pope John Paul II
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