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Is there anybody else out there who is reading this?

Do you consider the Earth to be flat?

Do you think that the Moon is visable at the same time at all points on the Earth?

Do you consider that the time of day is the same at all points on the Earth?

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Quote The Earth is flat hence the reason we can see the moon at the same time all over the world. Those areas covered by sunlight can also the see the moon as the moon is not only visible at night. Human beings do not possess the technology to penetrate the Earth's 'atmosphere'. There is no 'atmosphere' as such but it continues to the next heaven. What we see is out own universe, there are no glaxies, black holes, supernova's etc etc as these are the imaginations of a group of people who has the only agenda which is to rip off the government for billions of dollars of funding, most of which goes into their own pockets.
And yet we can only build computers (as the one you use) based on the laws these st**id scientists formulated.

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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Look compare the reflection of light of a street light and the reflection of the moon's light on water. It's almost identical which means that the moon is very near.

Why would you suppose that distant light sources don't cast reflections?  Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?

Quote The earth is independent of any heavenly bodies. The tides are controlled by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala's natural laws. He tells us in the Qur'an that He has set a balance. This is the natural law of the universe.

Indeed, the tides are a result of a balance between the earth's gravity, which tends to keep the ocean at a constant elevation, and the moon's gravity, which tries to pull the water toward itself.  (I'm oversimplifying a bit, but I think it will do for this discussion.)

Quote People follow what lies NASA tells and they follow the lies of the so called scientists of the past who has proven nothing but theorised much.

Are you describing scientists, or theologians? Wink

Quote There you go, you get your scientific facts from wikipedia. Say no more.

I get my scientific facts from a great variety of sources.  I'm only linking to Wikipedia because it's convenient.  Find me a single reputable source that supports your wacko theories.

Actually, never mind "reputable" -- find me a source, period.  Show me that you're not just making stuff up.

Quote The Earth is flat hence the reason we can see the moon at the same time all over the world.

But we can't.  Tonight the moon will rise in Winnipeg at 1:44 a.m. CDT (=06:44 GMT).  If I were to phone you at that time, you would tell me that you saw the moon rise more than nine hours earlier at 1:33 a.m. GST (=21:33 GMT).

Quote Human beings do not possess the technology to penetrate the Earth's 'atmosphere'.

The International Space Station has been orbiting the earth for more than a decade.  If it weren't far above the earth's atmosphere, then friction with the air would have long ago brought it crashing down.  (You can actually watch it passing overhead.  It's a fascinating sight -- sign up at http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/index.cfm to receive email alerts whenever it is visible in Sharjah.)

GPS technology relies on a number of satellites in what are called "geostationary" orbits.  That is, the orbits are synchronized with the earth's rotation, so that satellites are always over a specific geographic location.  If human beings did not put these satellites up there, then who did?  Jinns?  Allah?  And if they are not orbiting a spherical and rotating earth, then how do these satellites just hang there, apparently motionless?  Is that some kind of magic?

Quote There is no 'atmosphere' as such but it continues to the next heaven. What we see is out own universe, there are no glaxies, black holes, supernova's etc etc as these are the imaginations of a group of people who has the only agenda which is to rip off the government for billions of dollars of funding, most of which goes into their own pockets.

This "group of people" is hundreds of millions of people in every advanced nation spanning hundreds of years.  The magnitude of the conspiracy theory you are proposing is positively breathtaking.  Far more vast than what would have been required to invent the story of Muhammad, for instance.  A few hundred people could have concocted that, from virtually nothing.
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Any reason my posts don't get through?
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***BREAKING NEWS***

The moon has it's own clouds.

The moon is created for man to calculate time. There are 30 days in a lunar month and these days are calculated by the shape of the moon. So for example, when the moon is a perfect crescent then the first day of the month begins. The full moon usually lasts 3 days which are normally the 13th, 14h and 15th of the month.

This dark cloud appears and disappears during the monthly cycle causing the shape to change.
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:


Why would you suppose that distant light sources don't cast reflections?� Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?


The distance makes it impossible. Also the light of the moon is not that bright to cause reflections on the water.

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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:


Indeed, the tides are a result of a balance between the earth's gravity, which tends to keep the ocean at a constant elevation, and the moon's gravity, which tries to pull the water toward itself.� (I'm oversimplifying a bit, but I think it will do for this discussion.)


There you go quoting what you've read in the science books. The ocean and tides are controlled by the natural laws of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. The moon is not that far away from the Earth, in fact it is only a few thousand miles away. The moon also does not have any influence on the Earth's gravity. Let me also add here that the moon is a very small object (people cannot land on it).

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:



Are you describing scientists, or theologians? Wink
I'm saying that people like Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc had a good idea and wrote it down and people like yuou think it's gospel. It's really garbage.

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:



I get my scientific facts from a great variety of sources.� I'm only linking to Wikipedia because it's convenient.� Find me a single reputable source that supports your wacko theories.Actually, never mind "reputable" -- find me a source, period.� Show me that you're not just making stuff up.


What exists today as science if all garbage. Like I said some people in the past wrote something down and others thought 'oh let's put these in the school curriculum and
teach the kids so that they'll grow up knowing nothing and worshipping satan'.

When someody says 'black holes, dark matter, super novas, galaxies' people like you are in awe and say oh 'he knows what he's talking about.


Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:



But we can't.� Tonight the moon will rise in Winnipeg at 1:44 a.m. CDT (=06:44 GMT).� If I were to phone you at that time, you would tell me that you saw the moon rise more than nine hours earlier at 1:33 a.m. GST (=21:33 GMT).


That is not because the Earth is a globe, it's because of the trajectory of the sun. Obviously when the sun goes away from you the land will become dark. When the sun passes over the UAE and comes close to the Americas then we will have darkness and you will be looking at a new day.

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:


The International Space Station has been orbiting the earth for more than a decade.� If it weren't far above the earth's atmosphere, then friction with the air would have long ago brought it crashing down.� (You can actually watch it passing overhead.� It's a fascinating sight -- sign up at http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/index.cfm to receive email alerts whenever it is visible in Sharjah.)GPS technology relies on a number of satellites in what are called "geostationary" orbits.� That is, the orbits are synchronized with the earth's rotation, so that satellites are always over a specific geographic location.�



Ron you are just quoting what you read on the internet.
Satellites can go up to a certain distance and can stay there with solar energy powering the craft. It does'nt have to leave the Earth's atmosphere because there is not atmosphere. What we see with the naked eye is our universe. If you go straight up then in fifty thousand years you will reach the second heaven then if you kwwp n travelling you will reach the third heaven so on and so forth until you reach the seventh heaven. After that i's Paradise. Alleluia.

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:



If human beings did not put these satellites up there, then who did?� Jinns?� Allah?� And if they are not orbiting a spherical and rotating earth, then how do these satellites just hang there, apparently motionless?� Is that some kind of magic?


Do you agree that these satellites have solar panels? If you do then they are powered by solar energy and you are right they just hover there.

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:




This "group of people" is hundreds of millions of people in every advanced nation spanning hundreds of years.� The magnitude of the conspiracy theory you are proposing is positively breathtaking.� Far more vast than what would have been required to invent the story of Muhammad, for instance.� A few hundred people could have concocted that, from virtually nothing.



Your ignorance is astounding. All the scientific institutions churn out drones teaching them the same garbage that you say here. Then when they get their PHD's then they go out and teach a whole lot of new drones about Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. It's an endless cycle. They get together and agree that it's scientific fact. Wrong.
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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

***BREAKING NEWS***

The moon has it's own clouds.

The moon is created for man to calculate time. There are 30 days in a lunar month and these days are calculated by the shape of the moon. So for example, when the moon is a perfect crescent then the first day of the month begins. The full moon usually lasts 3 days which are normally the 13th, 14h and 15th of the month.

This dark cloud appears and disappears during the monthly cycle causing the shape to change.


What is this?

Get a telescope. A cheap one. Look at the moon. It has no clouds.

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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

The distance makes it impossible. Also the light of the moon is not that bright to cause reflections on the water.

Confused Why would distance make it impossible?  Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?

Quote There you go quoting what you've read in the science books. The ocean and tides are controlled by the natural laws of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. The moon is not that far away from the Earth, in fact it is only a few thousand miles away. The moon also does not have any influence on the Earth's gravity. Let me also add here that the moon is a very small object (people cannot land on it).

If the moon is only a few thousand miles above the earth's surface, then why is it the same apparent diameter (about half a degree wide) whether it is directly overhead or farther away near the horizon?

Quote What exists today as science if all garbage. Like I said some people in the past wrote something down and others thought 'oh let's put these in the school curriculum and teach the kids so that they'll grow up knowing nothing and worshipping satan'.

Well, we obviously don't worship Satan because most of us don't even believe that Satan exists.  But otherwise, how is that different from Islam?  Some guy recited something, then other people wrote it down and thought "oh, let's put these in the mosques and teach kids so that they'll grow up knowing nothing."

Quote When someody says 'black holes, dark matter, super novas, galaxies' people like you are in awe and say oh 'he knows what he's talking about.

Of course not.  We ask for evidence.  Just as I'm asking you.

Quote That is not because the Earth is a globe, it's because of the trajectory of the sun. Obviously when the sun goes away from you the land will become dark. When the sun passes over the UAE and comes close to the Americas then we will have darkness and you will be looking at a new day.

You know from common experience, if not from geometry, that things look smaller when they are farther away.  But just like the moon, the sun's angular diameter remains about the same, whether directly overhead or when it is on the horizon.  So it's not "going away".  It's staying roughly the same distance.  It's just going below the horizon -- which it couldn't do if the world were flat.

Quote Ron you are just quoting what you read on the internet.

No, I have actually watched the space station pass over Winnipeg, many times.  And I used my GPS just yesterday to find my way to a friend's house for the first time.  These are real things that I have personally experienced, not just stuff I read on the Internet.

How do you think GPS works?

Quote Satellites can go up to a certain distance and can stay there with solar energy powering the craft. It does'nt have to leave the Earth's atmosphere because there is not atmosphere. What we see with the naked eye is our universe. If you go straight up then in fifty thousand years you will reach the second heaven then if you kwwp n travelling you will reach the third heaven so on and so forth until you reach the seventh heaven. After that i's Paradise. Alleluia.

Fifty thousand years?  Travelling at what speed?  You don't have any idea, do you?  You're just quoting what you read in some hadith, right? Smile

Quote Do you agree that these satellites have solar panels? If you do then they are powered by solar energy and you are right they just hover there.

Solar panels or not, they would still need some sort of propellant to eject downwards in order to provide upward thrust against gravity.  And after ten years, that would have long run out.

Do you know of any solar-powered device that can hover indefinitely?

Quote Your ignorance is astounding. All the scientific institutions churn out drones teaching them the same garbage that you say here. Then when they get their PHD's then they go out and teach a whole lot of new drones about Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. It's an endless cycle. They get together and agree that it's scientific fact. Wrong.

That is not at all how science works.  Students are encouraged and often required to perform experiments that demonstrate the scientific facts they are learning.

But your description exactly describes how religion is taught. Wink
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