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Tim the plumber
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Is there anybody else out there who is reading this?
Do you consider the Earth to be flat? Do you think that the Moon is visable at the same time at all points on the Earth? Do you consider that the time of day is the same at all points on the Earth? |
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airmano
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Abul:
Strange ! airmano |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Ron Webb
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Why would you suppose that distant light sources don't cast reflections? Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?
Indeed, the tides are a result of a balance between the earth's gravity, which tends to keep the ocean at a constant elevation, and the moon's gravity, which tries to pull the water toward itself. (I'm oversimplifying a bit, but I think it will do for this discussion.)
Are you describing scientists, or theologians?
I get my scientific facts from a great variety of sources. I'm only linking to Wikipedia because it's convenient. Find me a single reputable source that supports your wacko theories. Actually, never mind "reputable" -- find me a source, period. Show me that you're not just making stuff up.
But we can't. Tonight the moon will rise in Winnipeg at 1:44 a.m. CDT (=06:44 GMT). If I were to phone you at that time, you would tell me that you saw the moon rise more than nine hours earlier at 1:33 a.m. GST (=21:33 GMT).
The International Space Station has been orbiting the earth for more than a decade. If it weren't far above the earth's atmosphere, then friction with the air would have long ago brought it crashing down. (You can actually watch it passing overhead. It's a fascinating sight -- sign up at http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/index.cfm to receive email alerts whenever it is visible in Sharjah.) GPS technology relies on a number of satellites in what are called "geostationary" orbits. That is, the orbits are synchronized with the earth's rotation, so that satellites are always over a specific geographic location. If human beings did not put these satellites up there, then who did? Jinns? Allah? And if they are not orbiting a spherical and rotating earth, then how do these satellites just hang there, apparently motionless? Is that some kind of magic?
This "group of people" is hundreds of millions of people in every advanced nation spanning hundreds of years. The magnitude of the conspiracy theory you are proposing is positively breathtaking. Far more vast than what would have been required to invent the story of Muhammad, for instance. A few hundred people could have concocted that, from virtually nothing. |
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Tim the plumber
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Any reason my posts don't get through?
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Abu Loren
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***BREAKING NEWS***
The moon has it's own clouds. The moon is created for man to calculate time. There are 30 days in a lunar month and these days are calculated by the shape of the moon. So for example, when the moon is a perfect crescent then the first day of the month begins. The full moon usually lasts 3 days which are normally the 13th, 14h and 15th of the month. This dark cloud appears and disappears during the monthly cycle causing the shape to change. |
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La Ilaha IllAllah
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Abu Loren
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The distance makes it impossible. Also the light of the moon is not that bright to cause reflections on the water. [/quote]
There you go quoting what you've read in the science books. The ocean and tides are controlled by the natural laws of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. The moon is not that far away from the Earth, in fact it is only a few thousand miles away. The moon also does not have any influence on the Earth's gravity. Let me also add here that the moon is a very small object (people cannot land on it).
Your ignorance is astounding. All the scientific institutions churn out drones teaching them the same garbage that you say here. Then when they get their PHD's then they go out and teach a whole lot of new drones about Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. It's an endless cycle. They get together and agree that it's scientific fact. Wrong. |
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La Ilaha IllAllah
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Tim the plumber
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What is this? Get a telescope. A cheap one. Look at the moon. It has no clouds. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASTRONOMICAL-TELESCOPE-DIAGONAL-MIRROR-TRIPOD-20x30x40x-POWER-30mm-XMAS-GIFTS-/131538054280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1ea0476c88 �13. |
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Ron Webb
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Why would distance make it impossible? Can you give me an example of this phenomenon?
If the moon is only a few thousand miles above the earth's surface, then why is it the same apparent diameter (about half a degree wide) whether it is directly overhead or farther away near the horizon?
Well, we obviously don't worship Satan because most of us don't even believe that Satan exists. But otherwise, how is that different from Islam? Some guy recited something, then other people wrote it down and thought "oh, let's put these in the mosques and teach kids so that they'll grow up knowing nothing."
Of course not. We ask for evidence. Just as I'm asking you.
You know from common experience, if not from geometry, that things look smaller when they are farther away. But just like the moon, the sun's angular diameter remains about the same, whether directly overhead or when it is on the horizon. So it's not "going away". It's staying roughly the same distance. It's just going below the horizon -- which it couldn't do if the world were flat.
No, I have actually watched the space station pass over Winnipeg, many times. And I used my GPS just yesterday to find my way to a friend's house for the first time. These are real things that I have personally experienced, not just stuff I read on the Internet. How do you think GPS works?
Fifty thousand years? Travelling at what speed? You don't have any idea, do you? You're just quoting what you read in some hadith, right?
Solar panels or not, they would still need some sort of propellant to eject downwards in order to provide upward thrust against gravity. And after ten years, that would have long run out. Do you know of any solar-powered device that can hover indefinitely?
That is not at all how science works. Students are encouraged and often required to perform experiments that demonstrate the scientific facts they are learning. But your description exactly describes how religion is taught. |
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