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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2015 at 6:35am
And did you read any of this in the Quran, Abu Loren?  Or are you just making stuff up?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2015 at 6:51am
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Carl Sagan misses the point,
the precise reason we need God, the reason we have God.

The reason we invented God. The reason people cling to a comforting myth regardless of evidence, or even in spite of it.

Quote Things aren't determined by our wisdom... our courage,
but by the wisdom to follow His Wisdom, and receive His courage.

I'll grant you that belief in God can give you courage, but is this necessarily a good thing?

This how suicide bombers are made.  They set aside their own wisdom and mindlessly accept an ideology fed to them by others, along with the "courage" to follow that ideology no matter how horrific the consequences.

It just happens that your ideology is (relatively) benign, while theirs is malignant.  But both are wrong.

Quote It is God that does give us our purpose, and define our purpose,
at least in the Christian way, for what our God teaches us is to do just that... to care for humanity... to love Him enough to love one another.

I don't need God to teach me that.  Neither do you, actually.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Caringheart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2015 at 11:07am
Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


[quote]It is God that does give us our purpose, and define our purpose,
at least in the Christian way, for what our God teaches us is to do just that... to care for humanity... to love Him enough to love one another.

I don't need God to teach me that.  Neither do you, actually.

Greetings Ron,

I disagree, it is knowing God that teaches you...
you may deny Him, but He is there, from the beginning, no matter how much you, with your mind, thinking yourself wise in your own wisdom, deny Him.

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

So if you know these things, it is God that gives you the Wisdom to know them.

Peace and blessings to you,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Caringheart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2015 at 11:17am
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


Greetings Abu Loren,Am I missing something?  You're not serious are you?  You are aware that we have seen our planet from space and that it is indeed round?asalaam,Caringheart


Satan has deceived this world for the past 500 years by making mankind believe that the earth is a globe and that we live in a heliocentric universe. The opposite of this true. so people like Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan, Hawking et all are wrong. They were working on a theory anyway. Not proof.

The photo you are talking about is faked. I tend to believe the flat earthers now and they have very good explanations of these things in youtube.

As a side note, have you all considered the oceans? The amount of water in the oceans and rivers will not hold securely on a globe earth, no matter the explanation of gravity. Water ALWAYS trickle down to the lowest point, so if the earth was a globe all the water would be concentrated down south. Water or any liquid for that matter always are stable on a flat surface or it 'falls'.

Greetings Abu Loren,

I understand where you're coming from, but astronauts... both Russian and American... have gone out into space and gazed back upon the earth, so it's not a matter of 'photo's'.  It's a matter of eye witness observations.

When you look through a telescope, do you ever see anything in space, in God's creation, that is flat?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abu Loren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2015 at 3:35am
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:



Greetings Abu Loren,I understand where you're coming from, but astronauts... both Russian and American... have gone out into space and gazed back upon the earth, so it's not a matter of 'photo's'.� It's a matter of eye witness observations.When you look through a telescope, do you ever see anything in space, in God's creation, that is flat?asalaam and blessings to you,CAringheart


"It's all about the money, ain't a damn thing funny" so goes a rap song.

All the space faring nations such as the USA, Russia, China, Japan, India etc have made a pact where they will use 'standard' space terminology. These are all scientists in all these countries siphoning off money from the government with huge yearly budgets that exceed the GDP's of some countries.

Man has not invented a machine to go into 'outer space', I accept that they can go so high but there is a limit. No man made object or vehicle will work in space. All the probes like voyager, Viking etc are fakes. The 'photos' they sent back were produced in a computer sitting in a room in a NASA office.

Our Universe is what we see when we look up. The sky, the clouds, the sun, the moon and the stars etc. There are nothing more than these. Trust your eyes and your instincts NOT NASA. Even the Sun and the Moon are not globes they are circular objects and we can only see one side of it (the shining side).

As a Christian I'm surprised you don't believe in a falt earth as the Bible has described the earth as flat.

Further more, I tend to believe that there is a barrier or a dome sky. This is because of the following verse in the Qur'an.

Sahih International

O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ].
55:33
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

And did you read any of this in the Quran, Abu Loren?� Or are you just making stuff up?



Your hero's programme is called 'Cosmos'. Check it out and have a real good laugh. :0
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Quote All the probes like voyager, Viking etc are fakes. The 'photos' they sent back were produced in a computer sitting in a room in a NASA office.


This is a freaky example of where naive religious hardcore believe (may) lead you to.


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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

I disagree, it is knowing God that teaches you...
you may deny Him, but He is there, from the beginning, no matter how much you, with your mind, thinking yourself wise in your own wisdom, deny Him.

And yet even life-long atheists are generally kind to each other.  How did God teach them?  And why would He have taught them to love and respect each other, without also teaching them to love a nd respect Him?

Even many animals have been shown to exhibit kindness toward each other.  Did God teach them as well?  Or is it more likely a natural consequence of evolution, that mutual respect and cooperation with members of your own kind is advantageous for the species as a whole?

Quote 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

It's ironic that you would choose to quote from Romans Chapter 1, which is a justification of God's wrath against unbelievers such as myself.  This is your idea of "caring for humanity"?

Quote So if you know these things, it is God that gives you the Wisdom to know them.

If I followed God's example, I would hate all those who don't believe as I believe.
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