The Moon (Part 2)

Abu Loren wrote: Geometry can't beat supernatural forces. There are things in this world that science simply can't explain. Just accept.

Again, this isn't even science.  It's just common sense.  As things recede toward the horizon, they generally get farther away.  Why wouldn't this be true for the sun?

Yes, look at the flat earth map more closely and you see that indeed it is easier to go via LA. :)

Do you even know where Toronto is?  Anyway, it doesn't matter, because even the route from Los Angeles to Australia ought to go north nearly to Alaska.  It just doesn't happen.

The SUN is a disc. I suggest you look more closely and perhaps invest in purchasing appropriate specs

I'm not the one in need of an adjustment to my prescription. If it's a disc, it should appear as an ellipse when viewed at an angle.  As for instance at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, when it is 30 degrees above the horizon.

Either that, or if it's still directly facing the UAE at 4 p.m. your time, then it should appear as an ellipse to the people four time zones away, at high noon on the West African coast.  It can't be directly facing both regions simultaneously.

One can't define the distance to the horizon when one looks at it through the naked eye. There are supernatural forces at work here. Also the Sun produces it's heat and light not by means of Nuclear Fission or whatever the scientists say but it is by supernatural forces that Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala defined. Man simply cannot explain this through science.

Actually, we can explain it.  You're the one who can't explain it.

Edited by Ron Webb - 18 September 2015 at 5:35pm

Ron Webb wrote: Again, this isn't even science.� It's just common sense.� As things recede toward the horizon, they generally get farther away.� Why wouldn't this be true for the sun?

Actually, the Sun looks bigger when it is about to set and when it rises (when the Sun is at the horizon).

Ron Webb wrote: Actually, we can explain it.� You're the one who can't explain it.

All of your's and sciences' explanations have failed because you and science seems to think that the earth is a spinning globe. ALL of it is shot to pieces once you come to the conclusion that the earth is in fact flat (as a pizza, pancake etc).

Edited by Abu Loren - 19 September 2015 at 3:19am

Abu Loren wrote: Actually, the Sun looks bigger when it is about to set and when it rises (when the Sun is at the horizon).

Exactly.  And yet common sense should tell you that things are moving away from us, and therefore should look smaller, when they move toward the horizon.  How do you explain it?

All of your's and sciences' explanations have failed because you and science seems to think that the earth is a spinning globe. ALL of it is shot to pieces once you come to the conclusion that the earth is in fact flat (as a pizza, pancake etc).

In what sense have my explanations failed?  I can't recall you even trying to refute them.

On the other hand, I have refuted your "flat earth" theory many different ways (constant apparent size of the sun, geometric impossibilities, airline routes, among others), and your answers always reduce to appeals to "supernatural forces" and "just accept" and "man simply cannot explain this" and "trust what I say".  In other words, no explanations at all.

Abu Loren wrote: Yes indeed that is very strange. However, a spinning earth around the Sun does not explain it either.

Sure it does.  A spinning earth means that the sun is not moving away from the earth.  Rather, the earth is moving relative to the sun.

I re-iterate that there are supernatural forces at work that science simply cannot explain.

There will always be things that science cannot explain.  That's what makes science so exciting.  But just because we don't fully understand it, that doesn't make it supernatural.

The Sun, for example, do not produce it's energy by Nuclear Fission, science could never explain it because only Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala the creator of the heavens and the earth knows.

The sun's power is produced by fusion (of hydrogen into helium), not fission.  Science not only explained it many decades ago, but also demonstrated the principle many times, often quite dramatically:



Then just last year, we were able to detect neutrinos from the specific type of fusion reaction that had been theorized to be powering the sun.  That was the final piece to the puzzle.  There is no longer any doubt about it.  At least not among rational and informed people.

Just accept it and move on.

If we had done that, you wouldn't have that marvelous electronic device sitting in front of you, which you use to denigrate the same kind of scientific enquiry that created it.  The irony is stunning.