The Original Sin

airmano wrote: @Caringheart: Could you try to clarify your position concerning what I wrote about Trinity ? Airmano

Greetings Airmano,

Could you please restate your question?
I'm not sure I didn't already answer, but said answer was overlooked due to the delays of the moderators?  I need to know what your question is.
Thanks and blessings to you,
Caringheart

I've also shared, or tried to share, this youtube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUy-H5MmeGU&list=PLGHRsCEDjj5clk9Zhg2RDmsujQ_7GtfaX&index=7


Edited by Caringheart - 13 January 2016 at 6:05pm

BaruchHaba wrote: Ahmad, if you are unable to distinguish between "a" and "the", I am unable to help you.

With anonymous books of +/- 100 years of error in authenticity (beside the centuries of canonization process), are you really confident enough to debate over just 'a' or 'the'?

BaruchHaba wrote: By the way, evangelical Christians take the whole Bible, the OC and the NC, to be the Word of God. Not unlike Muslims who believe the whole Quran. It all goes back to which Book to believe. I believe the original Scriptures, not a cleverly compiled narrative from Muhammad.

Conclude for yourself how pure your 'original' scriptures are. I won't say a word, at all.

BaruchHaba wrote: If you sincerely want more information on the Luke passages, you may want to search the internet for who Luke was and then read the Book of Luke.

Book according to Luke or the other 3 canonical books in NT, are no more considered authored by their purported named authors, but only for convenience.

BaruchHaba wrote: Why the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy? Only God knows.

But the Holy Ghost (the same which you think canonized the bible) should have answered it by now!! Isn't it?

Greetings The Saint,
Two of your statements prompted a response from me.

- Is it really so hard to understand One God in three parts?

Yes, He is infinite. How can we even try to limit Him?

Do you really expect God to be one dimensional, or two or even 3 dimensional? a thing simple for the human mind to comprehend?

God is indivisible. He is One and Only. We are not aware of His dimensions. He has chosen not to reveal them to us. Just as so many other things He has chosen not to reveal to us.

- the way that any deceiver works is by taking just enough of the truth to make himself believable (in order to deceive).
No one would fall for a blatant lie... but if you lace a lie with just enough of the truth then you have the tools to succeed in your deception.
or if you take the Truth and lace it with that little bit of a lie....
'a little bit of yeast works through the whole batch of dough'
spoiling the whole of it.
It is how satan works. It is why the culture is so deceived. Satan has been introducing little bits of lies for generations, his purpose to corrupt the whole of creation.
they having lost their way.... turned from the Truth of God
having wandered off the true path of the Creator...
believing instead in men and their teachings.

The qur'an contains some of the Truth, but not the fullness of Truth.

How then, do we get to the truth, CH? You allege the Quran is not the whole truth. I dismiss the allegation and I claim, many christian scholars agreeing with me, that the Bible is an omnium-gatherum. Words of God and the words of men. It also contains untruths and pure fiction as also scientific untruths!

The Saint wrote: Greetings The Saint, Two of your statements prompted a response from me. - Is it really so hard to understand One God in three parts? Yes, He is infinite. How can we even try to limit Him? Do you really expect God to be one dimensional, or two or even 3 dimensional? a thing simple for the human mind to comprehend? God is indivisible. He is One and Only. We are not aware of His dimensions. He has chosen not to reveal them to us. Just as so many other things He has chosen not to reveal to us.

Greetings The Saint,
On the one hand you are saying that God can not be limited,
and in the next breath you are saying God is 'indivisible, One only One',
but going on to say 'we are not aware of all His dimensions because He does not reveal all of them'.

So where is the problem with the Trinity concept of God?  Knowing the Trinity does not mean there are not other aspects of God that we do not know, or that are not revealed.  These three are what have been revealed.

The plural Elohim, "us" and "our", in Genesis 1:26 (just like the We in the qur'an) reveal that God is a plurality. The singular El, "his" and "he", in Genesis 1:27 revealed that this plurality is all a part of one".

The Saint wrote: The qur'an contains some of the Truth, but not the fullness of Truth. How then, do we get to the truth, CH? ...

The Truth of the Bible is revealed, and clear to me, just by reading.
Just by reading it is easy to see the things that have come to pass, just as they were said that they would...
and the things that are right now coming to pass, just as the Bible said that they would.
I only know one way that is possible...
The Bible contains the fullness of Truth.
(I am always astounded and amazed by this.)

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart