The Original Sin

The Word of Yshwe Himself (recorded in the book of Matthew, chapter 28)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Hello CH

I am very happy you cited this verse to prove trinity. But....

This verse cannot be used to prove that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one for the following reasons: -

1. The same incident was recorded in the Gospel of Mark; however, the one in Mark does not contain the triune formula at all

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15)

2. Nowhere in the Bible do we find Jesus using the triune formula, but always saying, "in my name"

You may see, for instance, Mark 9:37; 9:39; 16:17; John 14:14; 14:26; 15:16; 16:23.

3. None of the Apostles of the New Testament ever baptized in the name of the Trinity; rather, they baptized only in the name of Jesus Christ

This proves that none of the Apostles knew or ever heard of the triune formula.

You may see, for instance, Acts 2:38; 10:48; 8:5, 12, 16; 19:3, 5; Galatians 3:27; 1 Corinthians 1:13, 15; Romans 6:3.

4. Early Christians, such as scholars and historians (up to 350 years after Jesus� departure), gave a different text than what we have today whenever they quoted Matthew 28:19 in their writings

For example, when the Christian Historian Eusebius of Caesarea (a.k.a. Eusebius Pamphili) (c. AD 263 � 339), who�s called "Father of Church History," quoted Matthew 28:19 in his famous Ecclesiastical History, there was no triune formula in the verse.

The verse read:

Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you.[1>

He did not quote this verse in this form only once, but no less than 18 times in many of his works written between 300 and 336, namely in his long commentaries on the Psalms, on Isaiah, in his Demonstratio Evangelica and in his Theophany.

I can give you more evidence if still needed.

airmano wrote: Ahmad: It was first compiled in the book form during the reign of 1st Caliph Hazrat Abu Bakr. That's not what I understood. I thought it was Uthman. What makes you say so ? Airmano

Greetings Airmano,
You might want to consult the link I shared with AhmadJoyia.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/061-sbt.php

and my posts from Jan. 31. 

Peace and blessings to you,
CH

airmano wrote: Ahmad: It was first compiled in the book form during the reign of 1st Caliph Hazrat Abu Bakr. That's not what I understood. I thought it was Uthman. What makes you say so ? Airmano

Oh, I think all my discussions with Ron Webb were closely monitored by you as well. If not, I can only wish somehow Ron might help you, here.

Greetings The Saint,

God and His plurality, is revealed in the scriptures....
I don't know why this is a thing so hard for some to see,
when to me it is quite clear.

I would be very interested to hear from you what you consider to be proofs of the said plurality revealed in your scriptures. Because there is no such thing mentioned in the Quran.

I mean, the people that walked and talked with Yshwe came to understand, because of the things that He said of Himself. It is the follower's of Christ that give us the understanding of God and His multiple, indefinable dimensions, of which, to us, He has revealed

The most credible proof is that from God. If you can provide proof of a divine nature I will have no problem in accepting it.

Nonetheless, I can provide evidence from the Bible, proving that God Almighty is alone in His infinite glory and Jesus PBUH is a great messenger sent by Him.

Didn't the descendants of Abram inherit (i.e., take) the land of Canaan when the people led out of Egypt by Moses finally crossed over? (recorded in the book called Numbers, and in the book of Deuteronomy)

Why then, is there an ongoing war between Abraham's descendents? Who are the real people whom the land belongs to?

referring to his descendants as being 'as numerous as the stars of heaven', to my mind, is poetic language.

Poetic language? Really? This sentence alone, actually, proves who the real descendants of Abraham really are! Their sheer numbers speak for the Muslims.

It seems to me that this is absolutely come true.
Are there not those from all nations that now call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord? (Jew, Christian, and Muslim) ... that are 'gathered unto it, unto the name of the Lord'?
and it will come to even greater fulfillment when Yshwe returns.

No, that is not true at all. God's throne is above the heavens, definitely not on earth. And if you will consider this that the importance of Jerusalem was changed and Mecca was made the new Qibla.

I do myself, always question why Yshwe(known to the Greeks as Jesus) was not named Emmanuel. I have no satisfactory answer so far... but I know what the life of Yshwe testifies.

So, you do not have an answer to this. Let this be recorded.

Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. 16:28

You did not answer above?

Young woman, virgin.... to me it is a small matter... I imagine in those days a young woman would mean a virgin.

It is no small matter. A young woman may not necessarily be a virgin.

Let us examine Romans 10:18
the figure of speech, 'all the world'
This was being spoken by Paul, and to Paul the entire world was the Roman empire, and the gospel was being preached in all of the Roman empire.
So Paul makes a statement... a figure of speech,
but we know better... we know how much larger the world is than just the Roman empire... so it was not time for the end yet, was it?
but we can say that that time is now, can't we?
Yshwe spoke the Truth... that the Word must first go out to all the world, as it is today... and 'knowledge will run to and fro'(this is in the prophesy of Daniel 12:4)... as it is today, with the internet, and with jet planes.

Are you saying that the word has still not gone out....even after two thousand years? No, this is an unfulfilled prophecy.


Yshwe 'established His kingdom' with the church, when He returned in the form of the Holy Spirit, to His Disciples.

When did he do that? Can you give a reference from the Bible?

Clearly Jesus PBUH has a God over him.

You have left-out several verses unanswered. Should I draw my conclusions?

You did not address this one either_

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is One.[e> 30 Love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with your entire mind and with all your strength.'