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Q: So why is this guy 'airmano' saying that there was no canonisation?
A: Because the 'poor guy' does not know what he is talking about. Smile

The real game are the Hadiths which are  considered as not valid (and not only "unreliable").

So, where is the collection of wrong hadiths, a list which would be accepted by the majority of (Sunni) Muslims and which can thus not be used as "jokers in the sleeve" anymore ?
The remaining ones would be the valid or "canonized ones" of course. 


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Originally posted by airmano airmano wrote:

... So, where is the collection of wrong hadiths...

We have a collection of Authentic Hadiths, we don't need a collection of other Hadiths (although if you google it, you will find numerous attempts/works/lists of weak/fabricated Hadiths).









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Quote Miaw
We have a collection of Authentic Hadiths, we don't need a collection of other Hadiths 
 
So where is it ? The links you gave are more of a cooking instruction (how to bake a good hadith).

Once you have [shown] a list of authentic hadith can I conclude that the others are invalid ? (if not, why not ?)


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Originally posted by airmano airmano wrote:

Quote Miaw
We have a collection of Authentic Hadiths, we don't need a collection of other Hadiths 
 
So where is it ? The links you gave are more of a cooking instruction (how to bake a good hadith).

Once you have [shown] a list of authentic hadith can I conclude that the others are invalid ? (if not, why not ?)


Airmano

I would like to explain what is being discussed here, hopefully, it will be able to clarify the discussion.

All the wrong hadiths are very difficult to collect because so wild that they are difficult to detect, however, there are several ways to determine that a hadith is wrong, one of them is by looking at the contents of such hadith, is there any similarity of meaning in the Qur'an or not ...., because the shahih (authentic) hadith will not be contrary to Allah's law in the Qur'an.
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