Who is the comforter

In the Greek, Holy Ghost is Pnevma to agion or agio pnevmato. The word Agion means holy. In other words, this coming being is going to be sinless and pure. Mohammed according to Sunni Islam atleast, was not sinless.

2Acts wrote: You are wrong where you say Muslims never re-fer to the Bible to seek the truth of God. Your Quran validates the Bible as truth. For example- And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun S. 5:46. S. 57:27 The Quran in 10. 94 states If you have any doubts in the Quran which I give you go and read the Bible or ask those who read the Bible Thus, the Qur'an sees itself as the guardian of the message of all scripture: To thee We sent the scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety (5:48 MP/51 AYA). He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet." S. 19.30 (Book could be recita-tion as is the Quran ?) It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur'an) to you (Mu-hammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). S. 3:3 Sura 5:46 states that the Injil was given to Jesus by Allah. Sura 19:30 and 3:3 then clarify that the Injil is a book just as the Qur'an and the Torah are books that were sent down by Allah.

Well, why would Muslims need to refer to the scriptures when the Quran already outlined the truths as you quoted above ?? All the Quranic verses you quoted tell us everything what we need to know about the previous scriptures. For example, Jesus is a servant and a prophet of God. It is only when Christians said Jesus is God or equal to God that the Muslims will direct the Christians back to their own scriptures which clearly said Jesus IS a servant and a prophet of God. Other than that, why would the Muslims need to refer to a Book that is a mixture of truths and lies when the Muslims have a Book that is all truths when it comes to who Jesus is??

2Acts wrote: Original sin and the Trinity are doctrines based on scriptural truth. Regarding original sin there are several lines of biblical basis to the doctrine that we are all born into the world with sinful natures, due to the sin of Adam. Refer to Psalm 51:,5 Ephesians 2:2 -3, Proverbs 22:15 ,Genesis 8:21 and Psalm 14:2–3.

None of those verses you mentioned refers to the concept of original sin. Sin, by definition, simply means to go against or to disobey the Command of God. Sin is also a choice you made, NOT by birth. Adam was not created with sin, Adam was given the breath of life, or, you can say, created, in the image of God, meaning, he was created PERFECT. Likewise, man too was given the breath of life in a state of perfection. Adam was said to have sinned because he disobeyed the Command of God. In other words, he had a choice to sin or not, but, he was influenced by Satan and he made the wrong choice. Likewise, man too had a choice to sin or not – it all boiled down to the strength of your faith to disobey God or not. Anyway, let’s review those verses you quoted :

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me” – Psalm 51:5 ESV

This simply mean he was born in a world which was already filled with sin, that is, sin was rampant at that time. Similarly, a child born in a time of war could also have said “I was brought forth in violence” which would mean he was born in a world already filled with violence and not that he was born growling and holding a gun !

Then you mentioned Ephesians 2:2-3. Again, these words of Paul had nothing to do with the original sin, because, prior to that, Paul said “And you were dead in the trespasses and sins” – Ephesians 2:1. He said “And you were dead…”, NOT “And you were born…”. So, where did you see ‘original sin’ in Ephesians 2:2-3 ??

“Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him” – Proverbs 22:15

This simply means foolishness or lack of good sense and judgment are normally in children but good discipline can make them wise. So, where did you see ‘original sin’ in Proverbs 22:15 ??

“And when the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, the LORD said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth” – Genesis 8:21

Again, like Proverbs 21:15, the intention of evil begin from the age of youth, NOT from birth. So, where did you see ‘original sin’ in Genesis 8:21 ??

“The LORD looks down from heaven on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one” – Psalm 14:2-3

The key phrase here is “all have BECOME corrupt”, in other words, they became corrupt, NOT that they were born corrupted or sinful. So, where did you see ‘original sin’ in Psalm 14:2-3 ??

2Acts wrote: Regarding the Trinity you need to know that the word “Trinity” is not even found in the Bible. However the doctrine exists due to such verses as Genesis 1.26 , Isaiah 6.8, Isaiah 42.1,Matthew 3:17, Mark 14:61-62.

OK, let’s review those verses you mentioned :

“Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” – Genesis 1:26

Where did you see trinity in Genesis 1:26 ?? Because God used plural terms such as “us”, “our” ?? Have you heard of the term “Royal we” ? If you want to convince anyone that God is a ‘3-in-1’ God, you need to show the words of God saying He’s that or the words of Jesus saying that, NOT the words of other people.

“And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here I am! Send me.” – Isaiah 6:8

Where did you see trinity in Isaiah 6:8 ?? This was about Isaiah’s commission from God. The ‘Lord’ here referred to God, NOT Jesus.

“Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.” – Isaiah 42:1

Where did you see trinity in Isaiah 42:1 ?? If this was about Jesus, then, it only shows that Jesus IS a servant of God and he was strengthened with the Spirit of God (I will put my Spirit on him).

"And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” – Matthew 3:17

Where did you see trinity in Matthew 3:17 ?? Because God said “This is my son/Son, whom I love” ?? First of all, don’t be taken in by the CAPITALISED ‘S’ as in Greek or Hebrew, which was the original language the English Bibles translated from, do not make any distinction between CAPITAL and non-capital letters, they are all CAPITALISED. Secondly, the term ‘Son/son’ as used by God and Jesus in the scripture means servant and they are used synonymously with one another. So, Isaiah 42:1, which you mentioned above, used ‘servant’ instead of ‘son’, so, did Matthew 12:18. So, ‘son/Son of God’ does not mean God the Son, but, it means the servant of God.

“But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”, “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sit-ting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” – Mark 14:61-62

Where did you see trinity in Mark 14:61-62 ?? Because Jesus said “I am” in response to the question “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” ?? The question you should ask yourself is how did Jesus understand that question. I will tell you - Jesus understood that question as “Are you the Messiah, the servant of the Blessed One?” and that was why he responded with “I am”. However, in Luke 22:70, when he was asked “Are you then the Son of God ?”, Jesus understood this as “Are you God the Son ?”, thus, Jesus responded with “You said that I am”. In other words, Jesus was saying he never claimed to be God the Son, it was only them who have been saying that (You said that I am).

2Acts wrote: How convenient for you to say the Bible is not corrupted in its entirety! “a mixture of truth and lies” you say. So tell us then what is your criteria for determining which is truth and which is lies. No doubt the verses that support a Muslim view are seen as truth and verses that contradict the Muslim view are lies. And until you do so you have no authority to quote from the Bible at all and pick and choose what suits you.

Well, yes, the verses that are in agreement with the Quran were the truths, but, for your sake, let’s ignore the Muslims’ view or what the Quran said. So, the criteria to determine which are the truth and which are lies in your scripture is really simple – what are the truths are those that are in total agreement with what God Almighty had said or what His prophets had said and in the case of Christians, what Jesus himself had said in your gospels. So, if you said Jesus came to die for all mankind sin, then you need to show from your scripture that Jesus, NOT what other people, said or implied that he came to die for the sin of all mankind. Question is - can you ??

2Acts wrote: If you are going to quote Jeremiah 8.8 then you need to understand Jeremiah 8.8. It is clear Jeremiah was simply rebuking the scribes for their traditions that led people astray. He was not stating The Word had been corrupted. Consider these points - 1. Other godly men also had copies of the Torah in their posses-sion. Eg. the prophet Daniel. Plus other prophets affirm that the book of Moses was still available during their day.eg. Nehemiah 8:13-14,18. This occurred approximately 430 B.C., nearly 180 years after Jeremiah. 2. The Lord Jesus and his followers quoted from the Torah as we know it today and never thought that it was corrupt (cf. Matthew 4:4,7,10; 22:31-32d 3. Even Jeremiahs enemies knew that the Law could never dis-appear. Jeremiah 18:18 4. If you read Jeremiah 36: 1-7, 20-32, 27-32.You will see that If God was capable of restoring the revelation given to Jeremiah af-ter it had been destroyed, then God would also have been capa-ble of restoring the original Torah. 5. Jeremiah said …“ If you do not listen to me and follow MY LAW …. So how could Israel follow the Law, i.e. the Torah, if it had been corrupted? Jeremiah 26:4-6.

Well, Jeremiah 8:8 CLEARLY said "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?”. The ‘lying pen of the scribes’ obviously is NOT a reference to their traditions, BUT, it’s a reference to what they have been writing which are edited or fabricated (handled it falsely). Of course, not ALL are fabricated as there are those that are truthfully written too and survived to-day but unfortunately, the edited/fabricated verses also survived till today and that’s why the Bible you have today is a mixture of truths and lies.

2Acts wrote: You asked me where did I get the fact that Mo-hamad was not a comforter but a war Lord who lived by the sword? You obviously do not know your own Quran and hadith. Read Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261 and you will see Mohamad had the men of Ukl or Uraynah tortured by hav-ing their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the desert. When they asked for water, they were given none and left to die.

Well, you need to understand that hadiths are written by men and therefore, not all hadiths are true. In other words, like the Bible today, the collection of hadiths is also a mixture of truths and lies. So, one need to validate the hadiths with the teaching of the Quran, to know which hadiths are reliable and which are not.

2Acts wrote: Your Quran is full of directives to violence – “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors”. 2:190 “And slay them (the infidels) wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter” 2:191 “And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and Faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression”. 2:193 “Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possi-ble that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not” 2:216 "Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah, whether he is slain or gets victory soon shall we give him a re-ward of great (value)" 4:74 “Seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” 4:89 "Allah has granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit at home "4:95 "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly" 8:60 "O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbe-lievers: for these are a people without understanding" 8:65 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, and heal the breasts of the Believers" 9:14 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" 9:29 "Say: can you expect for us (and fate) other than one of two glo-rious things (martyrdom or victory)? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send his punishment (for not believing in Al-lah) from Himself, or by our hands. So wait (expectant); we too will wait with you" 9:52

When reading verses from the Quran, or verses from the Bible for that matter, you need to consider the circumstances of the time those verses were revealed, the contexts of the verses, the culture/traditions of the society of that time, etc. In other words, the verses of the Quran are revealed at a specific time for specific reason(s). For example, lets take Quran 9:29 which Christians like to bring up to show Islam is against all non-Muslims. The verse read :

“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not acknowledge the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture, until they give the tribute (Jizyah) willingly while they are humbled” – Quran 9:29

On the surface, this seems like a command to fight non-Muslims until they are conquered. However, a fundamental principle of Quranic exegesis is that the verse must be understood in the context in which they were revealed and in conjunction with other verses delineating the rules of warfare. The event that led to this verse being revealed was that the Prophet (pbuh) had sent Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi on an errand to carry a letter to the ruler of Busra. On his way, Al-Harith was intercepted by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani, the governor of Al-Balqa and a close ally to Caesar, the Byzantine Emperor and was beheaded by Al-Ghassani. This was the first act of Roman aggression against the Muslims that further led to the revelation of verse 9:29. Executing emissaries from other countries is a war crime that could never be committed by those who sincerely believe in God. Thus, the verse 9:29 was a reference to the aggressors as those “who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day,” because they committed this act of treachery – it’s NOT a reference to ALL non-Muslims. Likewise, in WW2, when the Americans with its allies were fighting the Germans, its common for the army generals to issue commands to fight all the Germans BUT was the command really to fight ALL Germans, that is, ALL German children, women and non-military citizens ?? No, the command was to fight only the German soldiers who were fighting AGAINST the US and its allies, NOT every German they find.

As for “the Quran is full of directives to violence”, well, obviously, you do not know your own Bible. Personally, I always believe in a loving God, and NOT a God of violence in nature, and so, any verses in the Quran or the Bible that contains “directives of violence”, I would say there must be a logical explanation or those verses are read out of context.

However, since you started this rant “the Quran is full of directives to violence”, perhaps you can explain to me these “directives of violence” in your own Bible :

Kill all non-believers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to the Judges or Priests
“Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
“Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. “ (Deuteronomy 13:13-15)

Of course, there are more violence verses in the Bible, BUT, suffice for now. If you can explain the above 'violence command' verses in your Bible, that would be very helpful.

2Acts wrote: Prove to me that Jesus that Jesus would expect his disciples to draw their swords and fight for him. And please do not refer to Luke 22.36 as when Muslims do they only display their ignorance. It was Jesus that said “turn the other cheek” and to “bless your enemies”

OK, I am not going to quote Luke 22:36, altho’ one may wonder why did Jesus tell his disciples to sell everything they had and buy swords instead. Hmmmm..

Anyway, if one never spoke of fighting, it does not mean one don’t believe in fighting. Jesus may not believe in unjust fighting, in fact, all prophets of God do not believe in unjust fighting, but I can assure you Jesus do believe in fighting in defense of the right cause.

To show you that this is the case, let’s examine Jesus’ words - ‘Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world."’. – John 18:36

What is Jesus saying here ? Jesus is saying that he expects his followers to fight the Jews from capturing him (fight to keep me from being handed over), but they will not fight for him because he’s a man of God (my kingdom is not of this world) however, they (his followers) would fight for him if he was not a man of God but was someone with worldly interests (of an earthly kingdom) and they would have not handed him over to the Jews. So, Jesus, like Muhammad, do believe in a just cause fighting for the cause of God, that is, the Message of God he was preaching.

Al Masihi wrote: Do you understand what I said, person of God, not person like a human being, person of God not person like a human being. The persons of God are the Father, Son, and Holy Spir-it..

Well, there’s no such thing as ‘persons’ of God because God is not a person nor is He a part of anything. If God is part of anything, then He’s dependent on that ‘anything’ to be complete and thus, He cannot be the true ONE God. The Holy Spirit is an extension of God’s Energy and its through His Energy, that we said God is Omnipresence.

The definition of trinity is - God is the Father, God is the Son and God is the Holy Spirit but the Son is not the Father nor is he the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the Son nor is he the Father and the three can co-exist independently at the same time and space. The flaw of trinity is that if they can co-exist independently, then they are 3 separate and distinct entities, NOT 1. God is not like a 3-man team in an Olympic Game, that is, ONE team in essence and with one mission and objective, but consist of 3 persons who can co-exist independently at the same time – that’s NOT what Moses and Jesus meant when they said, “The Lord, our God, the Lord is ONE”. Do you understand what I am saying ??

Al Masihi wrote: Glorify means worship or exalt, the comforter who is the Holy Spirit will guard the believers from sin, yes that is what we believe about the Holy Spirit. The spirit who came at Pentecost guided the believers, and gave them knowledge.

Glorify does not mean worship. Glorify mean to dignify, to exalt a person to a status of high respect. As I said before, if you believe the Comforter came at Pentecost, then tell me how did the this ‘Pentecost Comforter’ prove to the world was wrong about sin, judgment and righteousness ?? Jesus said this Comforter will not speak of his own words but, he will only speak what he hears. So did this ' Pentecost Comforter' say anything ??

Al Masihi wrote: How did Mohammed glorify Jesus, by downgrading him into a worthless prophet who Mohammed was greater then, or changing his name to Isa and making up lies about him.

Let me get this right – is it not the Christians who said Jesus was whipped, abused crucified and died on the cross ? Wasn’t crucifixion the most humiliating punishment of the Roman Empire ?? Is it not the Quran which was revealed to Muhammad glorified Jesus by saying God did save him from such humiliating death and cleared his name of blasphemy (claiming he’s God) ?? Yet, you are saying Muhammad downgrade Jesus into a ‘worthless’ prophet ?? Well, I didn’t know that to whip, abuse and crucify someone would mean to glorify that someone !! Well, that’s a first !!

Al Masihi wrote: In the Greek, Holy Ghost is Pnevma to agion or agio pnevmato. The word Agion means holy. In other words, this coming being is going to be sinless and pure. Mohammed according to Sunni Islam atleast, was not sinless.

How was Muhammad ‘not sinless’ ?? You are probably confused between a mistake and a sin. Prophets of God are strengthened by the Spirit of God, and thus, they did not and would not sin, that is, they did not and would not disobey any of God’s Command - that’s why they are prophets and we are not. But as humans, they could make mistakes. You think Jesus never made a mistake ?

Al Masihi wrote: Sorry a book can either be reliabile or unreliable it can't be both, if it's a mixture of truth and lies then that makes it unreliable which means you shouldn't quote from it.

Who say a book cannot have truths and lies ?? Take the book “James Cameroon ‘s Titanic”, which became a blockbuster movie. Well, that book contains truths and lies – the vessel ship ‘Titanic’ was true and that it hit an iceberg and sank in the icy water was also true. However, the love story between the 2 main characters are not – that was fabricated and a work of fiction to spice up the story. So, one can say the book 'James Cameroon's Titanic' is a mixture of truths and lies. Likewise, the Bible today is a mixture of truths and lies too.

Al Masihi wrote: Note the antecedent of "they" is those who are saying "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord." Notice these same people are being said to have rejected the word of the Lord. This is very common throughout the OT - those who are claiming to speak for God but are not. Malachi calls them out, Amos calls them out, and Jeremiah calls them out. It was a recurring theme. Let's look at what John Calvin has to say about this verse: How say ye, We are wise? He afterwards describes the kind of wisdom which they claimed, The law of God is with us: and doubtless, to attend to God’s law is the way of becoming really wise. ... But as they falsely made this pretense, he says to them, “How are you so foolish that ye think yourselves wise, as though the law of God were with you? Surely, if so, in vain has the law been written; for ye shew by your whole life that you have never known anything of what God by the law commands and sets before us, and what the design of it is.” Thus Jeremiah shows by their life that there was no ground for their foolish boasting; for they gave no evidence of their wisdom. It is indeed necessary for those who seek to be God’s disciples to bring forth some fruit: but as there was among them so much impiety, so much contempt of God, and as, in short, their whole life proclaimed them to be wholly insane, he says, In vain has he prepared his pen, even the writer of the law; and in vain have been the scribes, that is, the teachers; for by scribes, in the second place, he understands teachers.” - (end of Calvin’s comments)

Well, if they said they have the Law of God, that means they did initially have the Law of God. However, through time, they have edited some of the passages BUT they still claimed boastfully they have the Law of God. In a way, they do but, it was a revised version, not the original, as they have edited the Law of God. It was because of this, God told Jeremiah to tell them, “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?” - Jeremiah 8:8 NIV. The phrase “the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely” tells us they did have the Law of God, but it was revised that is, falsely handled by the scribes. So, if you read John Calvin’s commentary carefully, he’s saying the same thing.

Al Masihi wrote: Also your argument of Hadith rejecting is flawed since the only way to understand Quran properly is by the use of Hadith.

I never say we should reject ALL hadiths.

You are quite right as the hadiths (the documented collections of the sayings and actions of the Prophet) clarify further the Quran. In other words, the subject of the matter in the hadith must first exists in the Quran and not the other way round. However, hadiths, like the Bible, are written by men who can be driven by personal or some other motives and thus, the hadiths too can be a mixture of truths and lies. So, one need to be careful when reading the hadiths and not take all hadiths as true.

Peace maker wrote: So you what you wanted to asume that Mu-hammad was more powerfull than Jesus.

Is that what this is all about ?? Jesus should be more powerful than Muhammad ?? This is not about which prophet is more powerful, this is about the highlighting the truth !!

By the way, Muslims do not make any distinction between prophets/messengers of God because God Almighty said – “The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination." – Quran 2:285

Peace maker wrote: Isaiah 44:3 For I will pour water on him who is thirsty, And floods on the dry ground; I will pour My Spirit on your descendants, And My blessing on your offspring; Ezekiel 36:25-28 “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. {26} “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. {27} “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. {28} “Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. Joel 2:28-32 “And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall proph-esy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see vi-sions. {29} And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. {30} “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke. {31} The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Be-fore the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. {32} And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be de-liverance, As the LORD has said, Among the remnant whom the LORD calls. Matthew 3:11-12 “I indeed baptize you with water unto repent-ance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. {12} “His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” Mark 1:6-8 Now John was clothed with camel’s hair and with a leather belt around his waist, and he ate locusts and wild honey. {7} And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. {8} “I in-deed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Mark 16:15-19 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. {16} “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. {17} “And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; {18} “they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” {19} So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. John 3:5-8 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. {6} “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. {7} “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ {8} “The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is eve-ryone who is born of the Spirit.”

Well, all the above verses only prove what I have been saying - that the Holy Spirit is God’s Energy which will reside in those who do the Will of God. How can one be said to have the Spirit of God if one does not do and submit to the Will of God ??

Interestingly, you quoted Mark 16:18 above which read, “they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover”. Since I would assume you have been baptized, I would like to see you drink a bottle of poison and let’s see whether it by no means hurt you or not. Or don’t you really have faith in what was written in your own scripture ??

Peace maker wrote: Was Muhammad by anyway batized in water or baptized by the holy spirit and fire? the answer is no because he didn't believe in baptism. Was Muhammad borned again?no.

Baptism is just a ceremonial practice. What is important is what that baptism symbolize or represent. Baptism, as practiced by Jesus and John the Baptist was the baptism of repentance – a practice in preparation towards the kingdom of God. It represents sincere repentance and the seeking of forgiveness from God Almighty. Christians today change that to a baptism of acceptance of Jesus as God and Saviour and by accepting this, they are cleansed of sin by ‘his death’ and thus saved – a belief which Jesus himself never preach. So, yes, Muhammad was not in baptism as he only believe in sincere repentance and seeking forgiveness only from God Almighty. Likewise, why do you think Jesus teach you to seek forgiveness from God Almighty in ‘the Lord’s Prayer’ IF, by baptizing as you understand it today, you are   already forgiven and cleansed of sin ?

Peace maker wrote: 1 Corinthians 12 Gifts of the Holy Spirit Brothers and sisters, I want you to know about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 2 You know that at one time you were unbelievers. You were somehow drawn away to worship statues of gods that couldn’t even speak. 3 So I want you to know that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “May Jesus be cursed.” And without the help of the Holy Spirit no one can say, “Jesus is Lord.” Did Muhammad anytime said Jesus is Lord?no. So where is the so called spitit truth now?

So, to your understanding, calling Jesus ‘Lord’ means the Spirit of Truth is in that someone ?? And this understanding is based on the teaching of Paul, not even Jesus. Who do you really follow – Jesus or Paul ??

Jesus was called ‘Lord’ because he was a rabbi – the Jews called their rabbis ‘Lord’, so are court judges, kings, landlords, etc – they are also called ‘Lord’.

If the Spirit of Truth is in those who called Jesus ‘Lord’, then, he would NOT have said, “Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” – Matthew 7:21.