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asep garutea
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For the answer to question 2. From the beginning until now there're more women than men, this is more possible for this hadith. In addition, many rules from Allah are intentionally or unintentionally violated. One example is the command to close aurat (genitals) such as Hijab (headscarves) etc. Unlike the righteous women, they will get the same paradise with righteous men.
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MIAW
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Dear fellow Muslims, Assalamu alaikum wr wb, Questions like these are a blessing (no matter whether the asking person is genuine or not), because it's an opportunity for you to learn about this absolutely great religion... the one true religion... but on one crucial condition: Carry out some research... you will find that our scholars (May Allah SWT reward them plenty) have answered all of them... they have not left any doubt for us. When they quote a Quranic verse or a Hadith... Follow these steps: 1) GO TO IT! (i.e. display the Verse or Hadith in front of you)... see if it's correct, genuine, authentic...etc [the easiest way to do this is to copy and paste the text in question on Google]. 2) See what our trusted scholars have said about it (Try to avoid answering from your own opinions, because we are instructed in the Qur'an to seek knowledge from those who know: Ask the followers of the Remembrance if ye know not! - [Quran 16:43]). 3) Always try to give links to any supporting evidence. 4) Always look for the context (i.e. the story and setting behind the verse/hadith), because most of the time, without this you will misunderstand the verse/hadith. 5) Always remember: You are not here to convince anybody of anything... because you don't know people's intentions. Sorry I have to go... but I shall be back soon |
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asep garutea
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For the answer to question 3. In connection with Quran 4:34 which makes you say. (Now I am very strongly against hitting women, that is among one of the things that gets me mad the most,) The following is an explanation of such verse. This verse is intended for a husband who believes in Allah and wise, and not for a husband who wants to win himself. In the verse there's the word نُشُوزَ which in terms means an ungodly wife to a righteous husband or a wife who doesn't carry out her obligations as a wife to her husband, for example she doesn't heed the advice of a righteous husband, then the husband may give punishment according to Islamic law. And regarding the punishment intended in that verse the order is as follows: 1. Give advice. Let the husband advise her with wise words, reminding her of obligations to her husband. And a righteous wife who is obedient, can maintain her honor when the husband is not by her side. If his wife has received advice and has changed her attitude to be good, then a husband may not give another punishments. Allah Ta'ala Said: فَإِنْ �£َطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا “Then if she obeys you, then don't look for ways to trouble her.” But if the advice hasn't succeeded, the next step is: 2. Doing اهْجُرُ (boycott). This step is done is to educate her so that the wife doesn't do ungodly. وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ “And boycott your wife in bed" Namely by separating the bed and not talking to her. In the case of not talking to the wife, it should not be more than three days. The Prophet Muhammad said: وَلاَ يَحِلُّ لِمُسْلِمٍ �£َنْ يَهْجُرَ �£َخَاهُ فَوْقَ ثَلاَثِ لَيَالٍ “It is not lawful for a Muslim to "hajr" (boycott by not asking to speak) for more than three days" (Narrated by Bukhari no. 6076 and Muslim no. 2558 from Anas bin Malik). And if this way doesn't work, then the next step is. 3. Beat her. The way to beat a wife here must be in accordance with Islamic rules which teach how to beat a lawless wife: a. Hit with a punch that does not imprint. The Prophet Muhammad said: وَلَكُمْ عَلَيْهِنَّ �£َنْ لاَ يُوطِئْنَ فُرُشَكُمْ �£َحَدًا تَكْرَهُونَهُ. فَإِنْ فَعَلْنَ ذَلِكَ فَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ضَرْبًا غَيْرَ مُبَرِّحٍ “The wife's duty for you is that your rug cannot be occupied by anyone you don't like. If they do so, beat them with a punch that does not imprint.” (Narrated by Muslim no. 1218). b. Do not hit the face. The Prophet Muhammad said: وَلاَ تَضْرِبِ الْوَجْهَ “And don't hit your wife in the face.” (Narrated by Abu Daud no. 2142) c. Don't do it outside the house. The Prophet Muhammad said: وَلاَ تَضْرِبِ الْوَجْهَ وَلاَ تُقَبِّحْ وَلاَ تَهْجُرْ إِلاَّ فِى الْبَيْتِ “And do not smite your wife in the face, nor speak ill of her, nor do "hajr" other than at home "(Narrated by Abu Daud no. 2142) Also don't be known by their children, because it will cause psychological effects on their children. Additional explanation: If the opposite happens, his wife doesn't want to serve an intimate relationship with her husband, then she must give strong reasons for him. And if the reasons are strong and reasonable then her husband must not beat his wife in the slightest. This is what is often abused by a husband.
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asep garutea
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وَعَلَيْكُمْ السَّلاَمُ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ Dear my brother MIAW. Thank you for reminding me. For points 1 to 4. الحمد لله ربّ العالمين I always do it. Maybe for number 5, I have my own way that is if I have time to answer it, I will answer it according to my knowledge of Al Quran and the Hadiths that I get in accordance with Quran 16:43. I اِ نْ شَآ ءَ اللّهُ already know the meaning of the questions that came. But on the other hand there're targets that I want to achieve, namely; because this is a Forum where everyone can see it even though many of them do not play an active role, but at least they will know what Islam is. And without your knowledge (only Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala knows) that this Forum is benefit for me because there are many people (strangers) come to me that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala gives Hidayah to them because they often follow this Forum. So, my target is not only for the people who give questions. For me, there's no problem if the IslamiCity Forum and all members of the Forum ask for me to stop preaching in here. And I apologize if all this time I was too brave to answer their questions. بَارَكَ اللهُ فِيْكُم وَ السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ Asep |
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ItsBrandon
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So what is with this hadith then because it is classified as Sahih, is this a translation issue, is it a mistake with the hadith itself, etc? Also a few more questions I would like to add. 1. Food I know muslims are to eat food slaughtered in a halal way, if it is not halal or kosher then it is "haram" from my understanding. But what about people who are not near halal butchers and do not live near muslims to get access to "halal" meat, can they just eat regular chicken, beef, turkey, etc from the grocery store. 2. Friday Prayer I know muslim men are required to do the Friday prayer, my question is what if someone lives too far from a mosque to go do it, some people in rural America for example can be upwards of 100 miles away from a mosque.
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MIAW
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Dear Asep, Jazakallahu Khairan for your reply/contribution. My post was not to criticize you... it was just general advice ideas to my fellow Muslims, so that they can take every opportunity to learn more about their religion, even if that opportunity comes from non-muslims. Nobody wants you to stop your contributions... I personally have a lot of admiration for your resolve and patience when debating with hostile and 'aggressive' non-muslims who come on here to attack Islam and its symbols (obviously not all of them: for example DavidC is a rare exception whose posts I enjoy reading). I hope to see you on here for a long time to come, I enjoy reading your posts. Sorry about any confusion. May Allah SWT Bless you. MIAW
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MIAW
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This is a perfect example of 'missing the
context'. Muslim scholars have been explaining this hadith for many centuries,
but opponents of Islam ignore all that, they just love attacking its 'face
value'. The story behind this hadith goes like this: Two brothers (companions RA) came to the Messenger PBUH and said that their mother had died before Islam (in Jahiliyya era), and that she had buried her daughter (their sister) alive. Therefore the Messenger PBUH said the hadith above. Some scholars said that this is a particular case where Allah SWT (God) Knows what would have become of the baby had she grown up to become an adult, and they based this explanation on the case of the child in Surah Al-Kahf, where Al-Khidhr explained to Musa AS (Moses) why he killed the boy: [18:80] And as for the boy, his
parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by
transgression and disbelief.
Some other scholars explained this hadith
with the fact that in the classical Arabic language of the time (in cases such
as this one), Al-maw'oodatu means Al-maw'oodatu lahaa (where lahaa can be
removed/omitted with the meaning still preserved). Therefore the two people
being punished in hell would be: Al-waa'idah = the woman who actually carried
out the act of burying (on behalf of their mother), in the traditions of the time: the midwife. Al-maw'oodatu (lahaa) = the woman instructing
the burying (i.e. their mother). Therefore, once again, the problem is with the translation, not the hadith. I think the translator should have added a note explaining variations, allowances and particularities of the classical Arabic language used at the time of this hadith. The following links explain in good detail: Remember: The Almighty Lord Allah SWT Is All-Just, He Does Not Wrong Anyone... ever. So much so that anyone doomed to enter Hellfire (after the Day of Judgement) will do so without protesting their innocence (unlike what you see in the courts here on Earth) (i.e. they will accept and admit that they absolutely deserve to go to Hellfire, considering that they have ignored the warning signs and Allah's Instructions and Commands during their life on Earth). In the following verse from the Qur'an, Allah SWT gives us a vivid scenario from the Day of Judgement (one of many, many scenarios in the Qur'an): Qur'an [18:49] Sahih International: And the record [of deeds] will be placed [open], and you will see the criminals fearful of that within it, and they will say, "Oh, woe to us! What is this book that leaves nothing small or great except that it has enumerated it?" And they will find what they did present [before them]. And your Lord does injustice to no one. Also Qur'an [41:46] Yusuf Ali: Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul; whoever works evil, it is against his own soul: nor is thy Lord ever unjust (in the least) to His Servants. |
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MIAW
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Are you sure you wanna 'start me off' on this subject?... Please accept a 'frank' answer without taking offense: God (Allah SWT) Created everything... including Man and Woman... therefore He Knows them both perfectly (better than they know themselves)... and He Knows what is good for them, and what is bad for them. When God (Allah SWT) Gives us instructions, it is for our own good... never the opposite (even if it sometimes seems to be bad). Only those who have full trust in God (Allah) will believe and accept this crucial notion. God (Allah SWT) Created 'Woman' and Gave her rights, duties, value and status, and Put her in a protective 'Natural Hierarchy' alongside 'Man'. Allah SWT also Gave 'Man' and 'Woman' instructions and guidance that (if followed properly) would ensure a happy life together, full of respect, love and fulfillment. In general, Allah SWT also Gave 'Man' more 'physical strength' for certain purposes, and to counter this in return, He Gave 'Woman' some extra refined mental capacities and strengths, so that she can use them to survive in a world often ruled by 'wicked' men who overstep their limits. (Unfortunately, some women also overstep their limits by using these capacities and strengths in a 'wicked, wrong way', but that is not our subject here). Men (especially in western societies, and sometimes with the help of some women unfortunately), have upset this 'balance' by 'degrading' women (to use your words), and reducing them to 'sex objects'... They have 'stripped' them of more than just their clothes... their rights and needs, their dignity, modesty and decency, and even their femininity and 'appeal' in many cases.. And what's worse: some 'wicked and twisted' men have 'welcomed' the modern, false idea of 'Freedom and Equality' of the sexes (as opposed to the true concept of 'Freedom and Equality' of the sexes in Islam and in the Qur'an)... in my opinion, this (former) idea (fiasco) is the worst thing to happen to women... it would have been a lot less painful (in the long run) for women to... 'shoot themselves in the foot'!!... I really feel for them, especially when I see them nowadays running around trying to regain some of what has been lost... through movements such as #MeToo# movement, bearing in mind that those are only the very few who decided to come forward and denounce the 'abuse of men'... Yes, I feel for them because I often imagine how I would feel if that was my daughter, sister, wife or mother... don't you? Some men (especially in the west) will gladly ask for as much (limitless) freedom for women as possible... because this means that he can have a one-to-one interview with a 'lifetime supply' of pretty young girls in his hotel room (especially if he is a powerful Hollywood producer), or enjoy seeing young 'ladies' binge-drinking and then falling about with 'underwear showing' (if he is just a local lad going out for a 'drink'). So you wanna talk about 'degrading women'? Women have never been as degraded as they are nowadays in so-called 'free, western societies'... And the pressure on women in these societies is greater than ever: Peer pressure, Media pressure, social and professional pressures, pressures on her image, diet, looks, weight, conduct... etc... you see this everywhere: TV, Cinema, media, advertising bill boards, social and professional events... women are very much being 'used and abused' in these societies... it's worrying. Please note: To be fair, I am not saying that some Muslim men don't abuse their women... because some of them certainly do... and that is against the teachings of Islam... However, that is (some) men for you, not Islam.
Prophet Muhammad PBUH was talking 'numbers' here... and stating facts. women have some 'natural' restrictions (menstruation...etc) which mean that the number of prayers and of fasts that are performed by a man are more than those performed by a woman in any given year. I blame the translation here: instead of the term 'failing in religion', a more appropriate translation would have been 'reduction in religion', because we are talking purely numbers here. Please note: The lady asking these questions of our Prophet PBUH understood perfectly (and therefore was eventually convinced) that this is purely a matter of numbers here (not degradation of women); and that's why the conversation ended there (i.e. otherwise she would have kept on protesting)... The only people that keep protesting about this hadith are the islamophobes throughout the ages... so don't fall into their trap. |
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