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Bismillah,

This lovely and important piece let's people who don't know the history find out how vital Islaam is to women and men having respect for each other.

Do a piece on the reality of this now.  How many Muslim fathers do not care what their girl wants in life, but knows she will marry whom he picks for her, spend her money as he and her future husband declare, study in school if they want her to, what they think she should.

How many scholars take away our rights by saying that women today are worse than they ever were and need more covering and supervision by their men?

Where are the leaders who believe what you have posted about women's right to be true?  Do they protect us or just give lectures on the subject from their comfortable seats? We have a lot to be proud of historically, that's true.  But the west has woken up and women do have rights, can own property, can get out of abusive relationships or at least try to if they aren't killed.

The authoritites in America aren't protecting women nearly enough from violent, possesive, aggressive men.  We are starved, beaten, underclothed, undereducated, dominated and stalked and killed.  America makes a big deal of how it treats women better than the Middle Eastern cultures, but it is not exactly true now either, is it?  But the Muslim culture in America isn't protecting us either.  Whose job is it?  Who is going to enforce these lofty ideals?

What choice do women have?  Go to the police and have him thrown out or put up with it?.  Have the sheikh mildly chastise him, but he has no real power in the community to take action against the man if he keeps beating, segregating, verbally attacking his wife and children.  What choice is that to not have any solution in which she can be a Muslim woman, get her husband counselled properly by the community, and stay in an Islaamic situation?  The only people to help her, the government, forces her to choose to kick him out and then have to support herself and the kids and have no dad for them.

Guys, DO SOMETHING.  Keep us aware of the historical comparisons because not everybody knows this.  But go from being academics praising the rights of women to MEN enforcing them in our communities.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Respected sister,

In one of my earlier post I had said the delima that Ummah is facing might very possibly be due to the reason that muslim men have taken away the rights of women as given to them by Allah [swt]. In islam woman is the cradel of future of Ummah and muslim men has defiled this cradel. Now we stand at the point in history where Islam is ball in the game of soccer. May Allah forgive our sins and save Ummah of his Nabi [saw]from further disgrace.

Protecting women's right is women's own job you should go to the Masjids and Islamic centre propogate the right that are given to you by Allah[saw] let men know  what your rights are speak boldy among men, do not forget it is sunnah of Ummal Momineen Hz. Ayesha siddika[ra] to teach and propogate teaching of Islam. It is you women who can create awareness among your husband, brothers, fathers and sons.



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Bismillah,

No, I can't do that.  My husband would flip out. 

It is the society of Muslim men who must create respect and awareness for their Muslim sisters.  Many women try, and I have worked toward helping individual sisters.  Women are strong workers, and we will perservere.  Many of the women I've seen at the Mosque only do things after they say they will get their husband's permission.  That usually means that they are not going to do something.  But you guys are the Imams and make the rulings and are in charge of how you behave amongst each other.  

I'm just stunned by your response.  It is your responsibility.  If you didn't know that, now you do!  You personally must do something to make your local community care about the women and children that you are supposed to be protecting.

I see that I need to make some guidepost for you to follow.  You are sitting with a brother and you ask how his family is during Ramadan, let's say.  He says fine, Al-Hamudulilah.  Is that all you do?  No.  You say where are they?  He says at home.  You say have they eaten dinner?  Do they need anything?  He says no.

One brother I know leaves his family hungry with NO FOOD and breaks his fast at the mosque every night.  Now, I can drive there and take her food only so much because it is far and I am poor.  Who can I tell?  Who at the mosque is in charge of the Muslim welfare?  You are.  You need to make a very clear easy to access voicemail for the people in the community who are in need.  They leave their number.  Me and sisters like me can call and leave the information for you brothers to do something about.  So when the brother says that his family is fine, you say we are going to visit as a group to check on her because we heard that she has no food at night to break her fast. 

This particular sister, living in America, is starving.  Her kids are thin, and at school they have no money to eat and are not allowed to have food because their dad said it might have pork.  I know you can't believe this is true, but it is.  I took a pot of food to her, and she told me she ate it every day until it was gone. That pot would have lasted my family and me one day, maybe two.  She used it for five, and she has three more kids than me.

So you must check on your local sisters whatever their husbands say.  You must visit them frequently and make sure they are not beaten and have food.  It is your job!  You must take them to the store and buy them food.

If the husband is beating them, you must as a group counsel him to stop it.  You keep visiting him and talking to him and encouraging him.  But don't believe him that he has stopped beating them.  Keep checking physically.  Ask your wife or sister to look at the people to see if they have bruises.  You check and see if there are holes in the walls or if the furniture or anything is broken.  Tell the sister to call your group of brothers if he gets violent and you will come right away to counsel him and stop him.

All a Muslim woman can do is call the police and go on welfare or leave her kids and get a job at minimum wage.  Do you want that kind of life for your Muslim sisters?  Only the Kaffir willing to protect her?

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Assalamu alaikum,

Sister herjihad, the points you are making are so very important.  It is very true that even here in the west, where everything is available, Muslim women are still left to the mercy of their husbands (or the kaffir government system).

Even in our little community, when we get together, all the men go in another room.  They wouldn't see bruises on a sister if her very face were black and blue!  They wouldn't notice someone is too thin.  I don't even know what these men look like, if I ran into one of them at a store, I wouldn't even know them!  And these are the brothers who are supposed to protect me?

This business of separation of the sexes is out of hand in some places.  In the time of the Prophet, men and women discussed community matters together, prayed together, fought battles together and helped one another.  How can we help or be helped when we don't even know one another?

Brother Fatah, the sister is so right - it is up to the men to take the lead in our communities and watch out for and help the sisters and children.  We women will do as much as we are able (without having our husband flip out - a sad, but true reality for many of us).

May Allah give the men strength and courage to do their job and may He give the women and children courage to ease the process along!

Peace, ummziba.

 

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herjihad : It is your responsibility.

I am sorry if you misunderstood my response it is my responsibility and responsibility of every believing muslim male to follow the  word of Allah[swt], I do try in my humble way to propogate as much as I can.

This part of the teaching has been obscured by the dominance of male culture, women who are first school of a child can instill these teachings in their sons and daughters to start a snowball effect. This does not absolve the present Muslim male from his repsonsitbilities.

How we can go about doing it is a question for which I am still looking for an answer. As it is not easy for males to give up their dominance. Inshallah I will take advice of the the sister and try to do what ever I can as presently I am trying my best to open this up as much as possible so once the issue is under debate people do take note. I request you sisters to propogate this very issue on different forums that you visit.

 



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Alaikoam Salam

Sisters We have to encourage everyone to accept we all have feelings, thoughts, passions and expect and encourage excellent conduct from everyone regardless of their state of dress, spiritual path and encourage everyone to learn how to respect themselves and others.

I find it ironic that many Muslims complain about western/european thinking and practices and yet some Muslims are doing just as bad if not worse in thier coduct.

But then I believe We are all Muslims, One People, One Spirit under the Ummah of Islam regardless of the spiritual path We choose for all religion/spiritual paths are expressions of the evolution of Islam.

Islam and Life are the same process and we are given the freedom to choose our path by Allah, however the first and highest path is to be a good, kindly and caring person.  The second is to obey the Human Rights Act in all you do.  The third is to strive to educate yourself, yourfamily and community members to be the best people you can be and do many Living Prayers which are like giving Zakat only on a daily basis.

Islam is far more than you may have once believed.

With the roots of Life and Islam we have the foundations from which to build a wonderful world, please remember all Religions are Muslim/Islamic as they are all expressions of the evolution of Life and Islam.  Each path offers hidden and open treasures from which to build a wonderful life.

However the foundations of life and Islam are as follows.....

As His Army Our Education is:

1. How to Establish and Maintain Healthy Boundaries

2. Good Communication Skills

3. Good Conflict Resolution Skills

4. Education in the Levels and Stages of Sexual and other Frustrations.  (So no child need fear abduction or molestation of any age)

5. Building Family and Community Spirit

6. Spiritual Guidance like how to pray

7. Doing Living Prayers like supporting someone who has a family while they take training or upgrading.

8. Hajj (Pilgrimage) to Self, Family, Friends, Community, Nation, World seeing what we need assistance with, who can help and who we can in turn help as every and all life is sacride and deserve such a respectful tribute when required.

9. Have open channels for consulting Government on Policies and Laws etc.

10. Abide by the human rights act.

11. Be environmentally friendly and promote environmental awareness.

12. Motivate people towards becoming educated, trained, counseled, consulted and guided towards being the best person you can be.

 

So if you are a person who has a history of being abused or abusive realize your Health and Well Being is of the utmost Importance in all realms of your Community, Family and World and you should not give in to dispair or give up on yourself there is hope.  Consult your teachers and Doctors for counselors or training programs that can assist you and realize you may have to take a retreat into a Center especially for dealing with your issues and this is not a Bad thing, it shows you care about yourself and your Family.

We are Amegadon - army gathering....

Just my humour.

Salam Alaikoam

Peace be with you

Anne Marie Elderkin-Habibi

 

Inshallah there will continue to be a great sorting out into groups as there has already, Surah 99, 1-8.

 

Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi

 



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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Bismillah,

Thank you, Brother Fatah for saying that.

Sister Anne, I can see some sense in the things you say, but since you say that you want to implement changes, why don't you propose less obtuse idealogies and introduce workable steps toward a solution of these women's issues?

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It is everyone's responsibilty to educate themselves and to seek and help others. Violence is everyone's concern, whether it is committed upon women, men or children.

It seems to me, that isolation is not a good thing. In the west, people are often seperated from their families. There is not the collective effort to help family members. Many do not live with parents, brothers and sisters, cousins etc. How do you confront people if they are strangers? We need to know each other.

One thing is that many women do not go to the mosque. Some of it is business and some is that the mosque does not feel welcoming. Many mosques become battle grounds for different ideologies. Mosques need to have community centers with them as well. They need to be places for the Ummah to gather where all are welcome.  Many newer mosques are doing this when they design a facility. In order for the Moslem community to be strong and support each other, this is critical. We need ot know each other to be able to have this happen.

This is not easy as people have cultural comfort.. doing what feel comfortable for them, what is fun and social. Nothing we do will be perfect, but until we make an effort to reach out to each other we cannot help each other.

I am an organizer of people. And certain structures help processes to happen. I have visited a mosque a few times and could think of half a dozen ways to help build the community. Just simple small things. I know that the mosque can be intimidating if you do not know anyone there.

I do also think that there needs to a space for both genders to be educated about the issue of violence. Sometimes violence is in the home and sometimes outside the home. Education is important. If men are the 'protectors of women' they need to be willing to learn and make efforts in this regard.

 

 

 

When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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