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My most Americanised witted nail, no one has to do anything to slam America. Your admins have had a special contract to do that and they are doing a far better job of it than anyone else. Oil is not the only consideration, it's always just any advantage.

The Serbian problem was fomented by the US and their other Hang Low Sexnn cousins, this side of the pond, as an excuse to keep NATO troops deployed in Europe after the Cold War collapsed - or more like that the people got to find out about the reality of this cold war drama!!

Let's forget about all this heavy stuff. It must be a bit too much for your terribly flagwashed head. Just tell me, why doesn't anyone in the world ever take America seriously without your guns? 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenski70 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2005 at 11:08am

Really?? Very enlightening!! That piece of information is something new to me. Could you please elaborate on that. To how many countries did Saddam go to kill that many Muslims? There must be more millions including the non-Muslims he killed; right? I�m dying to get more information on that, please.

 Saddam started the Iran- Iraq war. Close to 1 million died in that war alone. Saddam also killed hundreds of thousands of his own people throughout his Regine. Ask the Kurds.,or Shia in the south. why do you think the UN had no fly zones over 60% of his country? to keep him from using aircraft to attack said groups. He used tanks instead. The invasion of Kuwait....few more hundred thousand dead Muslims from Kuwait. And Saddam's army when the coalition hit back. Then you got Saddam smashing the Kurds again after the war. And doing the same to the Shia in the south AGAIN. Prompting the no fly zones. Then Saddam pocketed hundreds of millions of dollars in the oil for food scam. Hospital supplies were supposed to be part of the deal. They were never distributed why???? You say your dying for information but refuse to learn about Halabja?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenski70 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2005 at 11:12am

why doesn't anyone in the world ever take America seriously without your guns? 

Stupid question back at you buddy! Why doesn't the world take Muslim extremists seriously without their bomb belts?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2005 at 11:35am

Only idiots jump to conclusions in this manner.

What makes you think you are addressing a Muslim? What happens to your guts (I know other parts are a bit dysfunctional) when you are asked a simple question. The question still remains:

why doesn't anyone in the world ever take America seriously without your guns? 

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why doesn't anyone in the world ever take America seriously without your guns? 

Probably because your a moron! Plenty of people take America seriously.Don't believe me? look at how many American companies there are world wide? there are significant trade pacts with many ,many countries. You see there are now wal-marts in china...... that didn't happen through force. That was an economic  decision.  Did you know wal- Marts profits last year were more than the entire country of Saudi Arabia? America is filled with companies just like that. And employment opportunities are everywhere. Thats why record Numbers of immigrants are coming to America right NOW!  Care to address the Coca Cola or Pepsi companies and how many people world wide take home paychecks from them?  Or from Microsoft? Or more people who use their products?? No US guns forced Indonesia to have McDonald's either.The lure of money to be made did......Lots of people take America seriously!...... OK back to the Istanbul question?

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Go and ask some grown up what my question means!

A moron always thinks everyone else to be a moron like him.

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Sorry all the grown ups I know have IQs over 65. So your question would still be silly. Plus I have to resort to words like "moron" or "stupid" because I'm still being civil. I could have come up with far worse things to call you. to the point the moderators would have to edit my post(after they laugh that is.)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ansari41 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2005 at 6:51am

kenski70,

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Quote Saddam started the Iran- Iraq war. Close to 1 million died in that war alone.

 

I think it�s time for your history lesson.

 

The so called Iran-Iraq war started as border clashes in 1980 and escalated into an 8-year war because of the American involvement. Why should America get involved? It is a well known fact that America wanted the oil-rich Arabian Gulf under its control. And it was willing to do anything and everything to achieve its goal. In 1980 the American president Carter made it even clearer when he proclaimed that the U.S. was willing to use even military force if necessary to prevent "an outside power" from conquering the Gulf.

 

If not for the American involvement, the border clashes between Iran and Iraq could have ended as border clashes. No doubt it was Saddam who started the �war� but later he was stupid enough to get into the American trap and the border clash became a long lasting war.  Saddam did not realise that the American involvement was one of the American strategies in the Arabian Gulf. Therefore we should not forget that it was the US who was behind it throughout and therefore the US is the culprit, and should bear full responsibility for the outcome of the war. Eventually both Iran and Iraq lost the war and America was the winner. The �credit� for killing the 1� million Muslims in this war goes to America (and they were not killed by Saddam, as you have stated).

 

The facts and figures that incriminate the US in this war have been presented and discussed over and over again in this site. Nevertheless, for your benefit, let me repeat some of the incriminating events that took place between 1980 and 1988.

 

 

1)         In 1982, the US State Department removed Iraq from its list of �state sponsors of terrorism�

 

2)         During the same year Hughes Aircraft shipped 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq.

 

3)         In1983. a National Security Directive said that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran.

 

4)         In the same year the Reagan Administration secretly allowed Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons to Iraq.

 

5)         In same year again  Donald Rumsfeld , met with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support.

 

6)         In1983 again, a company in the US provided unreported loans of $5 billion to Iraq, with US approval, Iraq used this money to purchase goods for its weapons programs.

 

7)         The US and Iraq re-established diplomatic relations in 1984

 

8)         In1984 CIA began to supply Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops.

 

9)         In 1986 the United States with Great Britain blocked all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons.

 

10)      In the same year, the UN Security Council tabled a statement condemning Iraq�s use of mustard gas against Iranian troops but the US vetoed. The US was the only country which voted against the resolution.

 

11)      Again in 1986 the US Department of Commerce licensed 70 biological exports to Iraq

 

12)      The US arranged massive loans for Iraq�s war expenditure from American client states such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

 

13)      In 1987 America sold arms to Iran. President Reagan admitted that the sale was in exchange for hostages.

 

14)      In 1987 and 1988 the US forces themselves attacked Iranian ships and oil platforms.

 

15)      The US provided Iraq satellite data and information about Iranian military movements.

 

16)      The US prepared detailed battle planning for Iraqi forces � for example for the capture of Fao peninsula in the Persian Gulf in 1988.

 

17)      In September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State said: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives."

 

18)      The US sided Iraq on the use of chemical weapons during this war. (�The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern � would have never accepted the use of chemical weapons against civilians, but the use against military objectives was seen as inevitable in the Iraqi struggle for survival.�  - Col. Walter P. Lang, senior DIA officer at the time)

 

19)      In December 2002, when Iraq submitted an 11,800 page report on its �weapons of mass destruction� programmes to the UN, the US got hold of it before anyone else could see it, and insisted on removal of 8000 pages from it; the reason being very clear � to hide the US involvement.

 

20)      A Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier.

 

These are some of the facts that incriminate the US in the Iran-Iraq War.

 

Now is the question time:

Provide an one-word answer: Who is responsible for the killing of the 1� million Muslims during the Iran-Iraq War?

 

You have raised other points in your post. One of them is �You think gassing Kurds was doing Americas dirty work?Let�s deal with that in your next history lesson.

 

 

 

 

 

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