Trinity

I see where you are going with this and pbviously this is turning into I disagree to disagree with you. It is obvious that our differences come from the "essence" of our beliefs and this is just fine. I wanted to make clear what I was implying through my continuously repetition. Let me conclude by saying that in regards with the Trinity, it is quite appropriate to allocate symbolism and spirituality with respect to Christian theology. To see the elements (See ref. Water example) in the minute form and relating them to Christian Trinity is purely dialetical, with no bearing on the logical standard set by theologians both Muslim and Christian. The Trinity for example is a metaphor set to appreciate the essence of God using metaphorical examples from the Bible.

However, for the Muslim, the nature of God is absolute, infinite and does not have any excess or recess of any kind. This whole conversation (or argument whatever you see it) is nothing more than how we see things and obviously for a long time we see things differently and perhaps by God's will that is how its supposed to be.

Israfil wrote: In addition to my last post I wanted to add from my recent post was that Tim who is both Artistic and Humorous acts as an individual based on his behavior in acting out his qualities. If there was a likeness of Tim such as one who is Artistic and Funny both cannot possibly act out the same emotions since these are different entities. Tim cannot be just defined as just Funny and Artistic either because he is composed of other qualities that makes him uniquie such as possessing life, brain emotional faculties. In my conclusion when we define the trinity as I had mentioned before its quite possible to say that the nature of God, Father and Son can have the same essence as God since the nature and essence of God is different than the same essence as the Son and the Holy Spirit.

because you view Holy spirit different and not the same as Christianity.

These elements in the trinity are nothing more than superadditonal qualities towards God. For the Islamic concept the attributes of god are different in respect to their quality but are unified under God through their essence since they emanate from God through action hence these qualities cannot be looked at apart from God as "individual" elements of God.

Ok 

My presumption of the Trinity being nothing more than composed traits based on Biblical doctrine are nothing more than hypotheticals based upon the Trinitarian Principle. How the Trinity is applied from mainstream Christian appears to be what I have mentioned thus far--nothing more than traits of God not truths of God's essence. Again as I have mentioned in the other forum "How is Jesus both man and God?" I ask the question of the nature of Jesus in accordance to Christian theology how this individual, this man is God.

alright

Angel you said: That you haven't seen nor heard from any Muslims that Christians and Jews worship the same God as Muslims. This quite frankly is alarming since our doctrine states that the people of the Book worship the same God. Not in my exact words of course but the understanding behind Islamic doctrine is that regardless whether one is cognizant of the Creator Allah is still their lord. I believe since we are Abrahamic faiths its quite important to bridge the belief system so cordial dialouge can commence.

Umm...something is missing, what did I say ?

Mind you I haven't been to the other forum "How is Jesus both man and God?" since posting as I was away from the boards.

Angel many Muslims do not think like me nor do I think like many Muslims. I'm hoping that we can have a better understanding. You also need not to be so sensitive to what I say to you as it is only peer constructive criticism.

As I know about you  

Me being so sensitive, its not that as such - (I've learnt not to, being here has taught me that) - but angry and frustrated with you and yes upset also on some of the personal issues, not about the discussion on the trinity nor the islamic principles. But the things you have said about me - you would too feel the same. The rest I'll put in an email.

hello. the trinity is not 3 members but rather 3 offices.

the reason god chose to become flesh is because without blood there is no sacrifice for the remision of sin.

It not a story blond. Please dont be rude. Be sincere for God has given us a brain to think with. Now from my point of view the conept of Trinity is not created. There are many occasions in the Holy Bible where God is expressed in 3 ways ( God his word and his spirit). Maybe the word is but the reality has been presented by God ( may he bless us).