Free Will

First, I will admit to being a lurker, contenting myself to read other people's posts to broaden my own knowledge, and sometimes just for pure entertainment purposes.  However, I would like to share something that a wise person once pointed out to me, regarding Free Will and Predestination.

There is no doubt that God gave us Free Will.  We choose our actions on a minute-by-minute basis and must live with the consequences thereof, both short-term (in this life) and long-term (in the next life).  However, to assume that because God is all-knowing, and that Predistination cancels out Free Will, is to attribute human qualities to God, which is a real no-no.  By doing this, we are making the assumption that God knows the future.  In this assumption, we are assuming that God exists in the same one-way time-space continuum that we inhabit.  However, once you understand that God is omniscient and omnipresent, that He exists in a completely different realm that we human beings cannot possibly understand, it all becomes perfectly clear.  God knows all because He transcends time--past, present, and future.

Makes perfect sense.

Kate

Tim Evans wrote: Ketchup wrote: Tim Evans wrote: One of the important 'things' that sets man apart from the other animals, is the capacity to consciously make his own history by changing the world and himself, even if it is not under the conditions he would chose. That blows this... Tim Evans wrote: I do not think that ideas spring from the heads of people.   Right out of the window. I find it difficult to accept that this is all predestined.  If everything is done  because of a strict set of rules that have been running from the beginning of time then there is no room for free thought or free will... it would make us no beter than robots. You have the floor. Please instruct us in your theory of cognition. You should be able to research it in short order on the net and pretend you have an original opinion. Imitation is the best form of flattery but plagiarism is just plagiarism.

No need to get your knickers in a twist but I have to ask, how is this plagiarism?  All I'm doing is tapping out my thoughts infront of a monitor. 

AhmadJoyia wrote: Angel wrote: SO you think you have more of a right to say what morals are ? because you believe in (a) God and have (a) religion ? Nop! I didn't say that. Sis its not an issue of who has a right or no right. I only argued that, though may not be the customs/culture, but atleast, morality is one thing that can't evolve in vacuum, void of faith. Mind it, I have not categorized as what faith is, true or not true. (Its totally a different subject to argue as what faith is true and what is not). It simply implies, arguing theorectically, that in the natural discourses of social development in homo-sapiens, faith in some divine being must be the first step and then subsequently, development of morality, that too based upon that faith, must have taken place. Otherwise, its hard to imagine, why only among species of homo-sapiens that development of morality took place without the fear of rivaling members of the same species. One can call it a fear of a supernatural, may be a superstition as people may call it, but the point remains, that it was exactly this force, which factored in for the development of morality among humans.

You are on the concept that you need faith or belief in a divine being in order to have morality. Is there a problem that homo-sapian could not learn morality thru certain situations ? without a (or faith in a) divine being ?

Are you saying, that the early homo-sapians when they discovered God and put faith in God, that is when morality was born among humans ?

I have to question that, since also and those that did not believe in God in early homo-sapians and before them, even the netherdals, that mothers loved their offsprings and cared for them, feed them etc, also women caring for their partners and vice versa, the men going out hunting to provide for food for families/clans and even protect them from predators. There was respect there. I don't know but this to me seems of good morals and the right thing to do, don't you think?. All this pretty much has come from survival mode (devoid of faith) and not faith in a divine being.

Bismillah,

Tim, diversion, that's the word, and the key to many of these guys.  You are looking and thinking, I can tell.  They are in a category which keeps getting them banned and they make up new stupid names and come back because they need diversions.